Let's rave about the Mosin Nagant rifle

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I love my Mosin. She went deer hunting with me this year, and while the deer were to scared to show themselves, the Coyote we saw ended up being familiar with my m91/30. Probably kind of overkill, but man was that fun.

I'm going to go Coyote hunting again here soon and might just take her out for more!
 
I have a 1944 Mosin 91/30 and while it isn't as nicely finished as my 1908 Swedish Mauser, the Mosin sure can shoot!

I now have a 1944 M-1 Garand to go with my 1944 Mosin.

Now I need to keep an eye out for a 1944 Enfield to round out my little WWII Allies battle rifle collection.

The Wife is going to kill me one of these days if I keep buying rifles.:what:
 
I love mine. Its made in 1942. First time shooting it was pretty accurate. We were having a shooting day at a friends Christmas tree farm. A friend of mine was trying to be cool with his varmint barrel and big scope on his bushmaster AR and to be honest we were only shooting at MAYBE 50-75 yards. I didnt know everyone was waiting for him to shoot this water bottle so I loaded 5 rounds. I raised the Mosin, steadied my aim and took out the water bottle he was aiming at with the first shot. My other friends and myself will never forget the dirty look from my friend with the AR. I was so happy I had to rub it in by yelling "open sights b****!" He was just like . Everyone was

hahaha....that is funny....
 
... overly complex bolt...

What? Really? It has all of six parts and incorporates probably the worlds safest safety.

P.s. does anyone have a cleaning rod for a m44 russian?? Not that I would own one or anything

When I bought a Pollock M44 sans cleaning rod, I found a replacement on Ebay.

Haha, I just picked up my first Finn yesterday and I am going have to rave a bit... Got a 1932 M27 for all of $70. Has a worn barrel and the stock has a bit of character, but we'll see how she shoots today. The Finns really did some amazing work on this beauty though! There are little ears on the rear of the bolt connector to keep the rear of the bolt steady during the trigger pull (ever noticed how the first but of pull on most Russian guns just moves the rear of the bolt downward a bit). They also changed around the trigger so the trigger is pinned to the sear instead of the receiver and cams against the receiver to pull the sear down. The cam is built to give a nice two stage pull of about 6# with almost zero creep on the second stage. Now I really see why people love the Finnish rifles so much. Just little tiny changes that really improve the quality of the rifle...
 
Mosin Trigger????

What's all the talk about horrible Mosin triggers. Mine is a 1932 Izzy and her trigger is hard, but no creep...... that's right no creep. And I am strictly a target shooter. In fact the release is crisp and predictable. Is my experience unusual?

Here she is....

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I've haven't had the chance to shoot my rifle from a bench yet, but shooting offhand standing at about 100 feet, I found her to be quite accurate. The bore and muzzle look new to me. In fact it is so clean, I thought the barrel might have been replaced. If I can get 2-3 moa I'm a happy camper.

There could be a Finn on the horizon!:rolleyes:
 
Ok, gotta jump in on this one. I have a 1943 M44 with matching numbers on the entire thing. Pretty cool since there were only 50,000 of them made and mine is still complete (cool to me). As for the safety on it, well I suppose if you stand behind me you might be safe lol. I love this rifle. I don't know why but I do.

And for all of you that don't like them, please feel free to send me yours and I will even pay the shipping lol.

Here's a couple pics for ya.

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Today at the range. 300 yards, uphill with the wind at 2:00. Considering the target is only 13" wide, I think I killed a few lol.
 
I think that was more of a case of "the man" rather than "the machine".

So... Basically, what you just said is that all this whining about inaccuracy and bad triggers and substandard construction really is just whining, because a capable man overcomes those obstacles and gets the job done.

Keep in mind that the Mosins used by those guys weren't handpicked. They got whatever they happened to get. I am with Cosmoline that the Mosins are great rifles. Certainly there are better rifles around, but when you factor in cost, ruggedness, ease of maintenance and reliability under a variety of conditions, I am a hard pressed to pick a better rifle.

Frankly, a lot of the complaints about the Mosin come down to technique, in particular the complaints about the safety. Certainly it isn't as easy as flicking a switch, but with the proper technique it is easy to use and about the most foolproof safety you can have. The other complaints can be overcome by simply bucking up and adapting to the tool at hand. Cooperites will all start screaming bloody murder at what I am about to say, but not every rifle needs a match trigger to be a good rifle. I own a couple of rifles with excellent match triggers, so it isn't as if I have no clue what a good trigger feels like. Bluntly put, if your finger can't effectively operate a trigger on a Mosin, then the problem lies with you, not the rifle. I tire of hearing these whiny complaints all the time. It's a trigger. You squeeze it. The gun goes bang. That it doesn't break like a thin glass rod just means you (slightly) alter your technique and carry on.

The fellow that posted before me basically proves the thing will shoot. Is that MOA? Nope, but we have become so spoiled and dainty about accuracy that we forget that good accuracy isn't just measured by MOA. Great accuracy is, obviously, but just because a rifle won't put them all into one ragged hole in no way diminishes what it can do. With the sights on the Mosin, I can hit paper plates regularly and easily out to about 200 yards with no real problems, and that is sufficient accuracy for just about any purpose outside of benchresting that you can name.

When I first shot my Mosin, I had many of the same complaints, but I also had a couple of hundred of rounds of ammo to work through, and I wanted to shoot that up before I sold it. The more I shot it and learned the rifle, the more I liked it. Oh, I have AR's and an AK and some other cool guns, and I like/love shooting those too. I wouldn't even waste my breath arguing against some of my guns being better guns than the Mosin, but none of them have the inherent potential of the Mosin. I even have other mil-surp guns that are better and more accurate than my Mosin (in particular, my Swedish Mausers), but when I start looking at those factors I mentioned before, I just keep coming back to it...

On a different note, Welcome to THR, Heavenlyfire!
 
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about the most foolproof safety you can have

You've got to be a hell of a fool to screw up the safety on most bolt action rifles I've ever seen. What's to screw up?

"Foolproof?" Does anyone stop to think about what that word actually means?
 
So... Basically, what you just said is that all this whining about inaccuracy and bad triggers and substandard construction really is just whining, because a capable man overcomes those obstacles and gets the job done.
Who is whining?...I said nothing of inaccuracy or bad triggers. Do you really think the rifle was the reason for his success, do you honestly think he would have done worse with a Mauser or a M1903? If that was the case, everyone that picked up a MN would be transformed into a sniper. Sure the rifle has a little to do with it, but not remotely as much as the man pulling the trigger. A trained sniper can use an beat up Italian Carcano better than the average man can use an AIAW. The sniper makes a rifle a sniper rifle...a sniper rifle does not, and can not, make a man a sniper.

Keep in mind that the Mosins used by those guys weren't handpicked. They got whatever they happened to get.
I don't believe for one minute that the MN sniper variants were just any old MN that someone happened to pick.

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everyone that picked up a MN would be transformed into a sniper.

****, haven't you ever read this site before, Maverick223?

It's quite clear that picking up a MN DOES turn everyone who touches one into a sniper, from what I've read.:D
 
Hmm, this is rather interesting timing, because as I sit here pondering an AR 15, I'm also pondering a Nagant. For $89 for the rifle, and a similar price for a tin of ammo, it may be just the ticket! :)
 
xcgates, I have to tell ya, I do like shooting mine The ammo is fairly cheap, expecially for a high powered rifle. The break down and cleaning is very simple, even if you are like me and take it all the way down every time. The "only" bad thing that I have found with this rifle is that the tins of surplus ammo are usually corrosive. Really all that means is that as soon as you get home from shooting, clean the dam thing lol.

My rifle of choice is my Win 7mm magnum but when the cheap rounds are over $1.50 each it is hard to justify going out and having a fun day of shooting. Today I spent 200 rounds of 7.62x54r and it cost me less than $40 in ammo.
 
My Mosins suck. I have two of them that I got from Big 5. They look to be in great shape (externally) .. I cant really tell if the bores are good or not, but if I shine a light down there, I can see rifling. For some reason, they can barely hold a 12" group at 50 yards. I have a M38 and a 91/30.. I shoot perfectly fine with all my other rifles.

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My Mosins suck. I have two of them that I got from Big 5. They look to be in great shape (externally) .. I cant really tell if the bores are good or not, but if I shine a light down there, I can see rifling. For some reason, they can barely hold a 12" group at 50 yards. I have a M38 and a 91/30.. I shoot perfectly fine with all my other rifles.

I'll give you $200 for the both of them, if you're unhappy.
 
I think its time to see what my local gun shop charges for long gun transfers...
I think you will find that after shipping and transfer fees it isn't worth it. The gun show/local shop is the place to buy "economy rifles".

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Seriously though xcgates, have you ever slugged the barrel to see if they may be worn out? You may need to go to a larger caliber. Don't know if that is possible without reloading yourself.
 
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