devildog32713
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I'll take them off your hands for ya,
Let's rave about the Mosin Nagant rifle
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I'll take them off your hands for ya,
Maverick223
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Guess I should have said "...too much unless you have a C&R"...which I need to get...it would far more than pay for itself with Midway discounts alone. Thanks for beatin' me on the head...I need to get the ball rolling.
Heavenlyfire
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Ok, what is a C&R?
Maverick223
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Curio and Relics "Dealers" License (FFL 03). You should look into it, handy thing to have because it allows you to have C&R eligible guns shipped directly to your home, and you get nifty dealers discounts from a lot of retailers (like Midway, Brownells, et cetera).
xcgates
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HeavenlyFire, I think you meant to address that to crazed,
and Maverick, it kind of sucks to be out in the middle of nowhere, so I'm used to paying more for things.
and Maverick, it kind of sucks to be out in the middle of nowhere, so I'm used to paying more for things.
Maverick223
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Yeah, sometimes there is not much you can do; but think of it this way you have a better view than the folks next door to the gun shop.
Mauserguy
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I love shooting my Mosins!
Mauserguy
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Nope. An Enfield is hands down a better rifle, but that doesn't mean MN's totally suck. They're rugged reliable guns and if you get a good one they're as accurate as anything else out there. I'd rate them about the same as a K98 Mauser, maybe a little worse. The Mauser had a better mag and loaded better from stripper clips as well as a better safety and a better bolt. The MN has better sights. Neither is in the same league as a #4 however.
Ignition Override
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elmerfudd put it in a nutshell.
Should have kept my MN91/30, but had a serious case of carbine fever.
My so-called 'groups' with both MN 44s at 50 yards were terrible (my fault) and sold both of them. This was with bayos both folded and extended, and both rifles had good bores/rifling. Maybe avoiding old Bulgarian ammo in the gray cans might have helped, but I gave up and sold the 44s.
But my groups with the LE Jungle Carbine are much better than with either 44.
People almost always rave about the Finns and well-preserved Polish 44s. Have seen Polish at Memphis gun shows which were jewels.
LE and Mauser fever can also be symptoms of serious diseases.
Should have kept my MN91/30, but had a serious case of carbine fever.
My so-called 'groups' with both MN 44s at 50 yards were terrible (my fault) and sold both of them. This was with bayos both folded and extended, and both rifles had good bores/rifling. Maybe avoiding old Bulgarian ammo in the gray cans might have helped, but I gave up and sold the 44s.
But my groups with the LE Jungle Carbine are much better than with either 44.
People almost always rave about the Finns and well-preserved Polish 44s. Have seen Polish at Memphis gun shows which were jewels.
LE and Mauser fever can also be symptoms of serious diseases.
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BHP FAN
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Even my shot our counter bored M38 will hit the 200 yard gong with almost boring regularity.That's good enough for me. I own two Mausers ,two Enfields and three Moisen Nagants.
crazed_ss
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Heh, that sounds like a good offer
Im gonna try them again though. I've only really shot them once or twice. I was using "Olympic" ammo and I remember reading about it being really crappy stuff. I have some surplus stuff that I got from the store I need to try.
EDIT: Also, I was thinking about bubba'ing one of these. I have an extra scope laying around and Im too lazy to get the receiver drilled and tapped, so I was gonna try this thing..
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MGR324-1.html
Anyone had any luck with that mount?
EDIT2: What kind of accuracy should I expect out of these? I think after watching Enemy at the Gates and reading about that Vasilli guy, I expected these things to be $100 sniper rifles hehe.. my expectations might be too high.
xcgates
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A couple questions, first, how long would an application for a C&R take, and would it pose a problem that I am at school, several hours away from my legal residence. I see you need information from "the Chief Law Enforcement Officer", which I presume would be from the area of my legal residence. If it takes more than 4 months, I'd be more likely to wait until I move.
Second, what the heck is the difference between a round and hex receiver on a 1891/30? I scoured 7.62x54r.net and wikipedia, it seems to me that the only difference is that they switched to the round receiver to make it simpler to produce?
Second, what the heck is the difference between a round and hex receiver on a 1891/30? I scoured 7.62x54r.net and wikipedia, it seems to me that the only difference is that they switched to the round receiver to make it simpler to produce?
xcgates
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Double post.
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Maverick223
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1. From what I hear it takes about 2mo., cruffler.com can tell you more about the process.xcgates said:
2. The "hex" receiver has a rear portion that is hexagon shaped. It is an older example and generally exhibits a little better machining quality. It is also a little more rare so it generally garners a slight premium (5-10%).
GunsBeerFreedom
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Well please, do try them again, but I'll make you another offer. $300, and that'll cover cost of shipping and give you a little more profit
GunsBeerFreedom
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Sorry about the double post. Vasili did almost all his marksmanship in Stalingrad, most shots no further than 150 meters. This isn't do diminish his accomplishments, only to illustrate that he wasn't going for extreme long range accuracy.
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"If you are given a rifle, SHOOT the enemy. If you are not given a rifle, then wait. When the man beside you gets shot, then pick up his rifle and SHOOT the enemy."
Something like that - real morale booster there:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0215750/
In any event, yup I like mosins - especially the ones the Finns re-did.
TimboKhan
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Never said an Enfield wasn't a better rifle, (though I don't know that they are, necessarily), but I don't think they are quite as rugged and they certainly aren't nearly as cheap or easy to maintain.
Also, you are correct in your belief and I am wrong in mine. They were handpicked. I knew that, but it was an error on my part regardless.
Also, you are correct in your belief and I am wrong in mine. They were handpicked. I knew that, but it was an error on my part regardless.
ok question. if you even the playing field, inotherwords if a Mosin and say.. a Rifle that came about a decade later...the 1903.
If BOTH cost the same, inotherwords if the mosin wasnt so darn cheap, would it have anything going for it at all?
I really think most of the mosin-fascination is due to its affordability.
not that thats wrong in any way, but I tend to save the cash and spend it on "better" firearms. I say better because I have not personally answered the above question.
If BOTH cost the same, inotherwords if the mosin wasnt so darn cheap, would it have anything going for it at all?
I really think most of the mosin-fascination is due to its affordability.
not that thats wrong in any way, but I tend to save the cash and spend it on "better" firearms. I say better because I have not personally answered the above question.
leadcounsel
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ding ding ding ding.... we have a winner.
Yes, as it true with most things in life, it boils down to price. Sure a Corvette is better than a Mustang, but you can buy 2 Mustangs for the price of a 'vette. Same is true with the Mosins, Mausers, Enfields etc.
In my original posting I did touch on this. You can buy a Mosin for the price of a nice dinner, a new pair of shoes, or a set of dishes!
A Mosin Nagant that is nearly 100 years old, rich with history, traveled the world, fought in battles, killed men of several nationalitites, carried by many men, most of which are long dead and many of which died while carrying her. These rifles really LIVED... and will continue to function long after I expire, long after that $100 pair of shoes is thrown out, the dishes are broken or given away at a yard sale, and the dinner consumed...
For 100 bucks, that, my friends, is enough to be fascninated about.
Maverick223
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I feel the exact same way. I may poke fun, but I don't have anything against the Mosin at all. As I said earlier, there is no other firearm (that I know of) that you can buy for less money that doesn't come with the potential to maim or kill the shooter; but like Dom, I have always spent my money on rifles that cost a good bit more and suit me a little better.
I think inaccurate rifles are like dull knives...better than nothing but not much. They are cheap not good. Maybe the lack of accuracy makes the owners feel better about the fact that they are unsteady and flinch and basically cannot shoot for crap. I just do not understand the fascination with something that shoots that poorly. If you just want a high rate of fire stick with an ak. Gee I sound like I do not think much of mosins. HA!
wgaynor
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I am very curious about what CRAZED SS posted about the scope mount. Does anybody on here have experience with it? How is it mounted. Does it get in the way of loading (I've ready that some of these mounts can cause you to only load one round at a time). I am planning on scoping mine to make it a permanent Coyote getter.
Cosmoline
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Are you claiming Mosins are all inaccurate rifles?
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