Let's try this again: employing a NAA .22 Mag Mini Revolver for Self-Defense.

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I'd worry less about specialty ammo and more about plenty of practice with what's available. I'd stick to solids and not try hollowpoints were I you, I prefer to do that with any marginal caliber, even .380 ACP (with the exception of CorBon DPX).

From the side (profile) the best bets are apt to be the ear/mastoid area, and the neck just below and behind there. Forward of that area is the TMJ joint and the jawbone, above it is the skull. The skull from the side IS a pretty formidable barrier to penetration to small calibers, and placement is just as critical from that angle as from a direct frontal approach. As I keep saying- with a small caliber, the shooter is going to have to make up for lack of power by careful placement if a stop is to be achieved.

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There's a company in S. Africa that modified a 5.56 bullet design for a jacketed .22LR. It's nice and pointy. Something like that in .22mag might help penetration.
There's also a company in South Africa that makes a flat-nose bullet for big game rifles -- something like a wadcutter. Pointed bullets are poor penetrators -- and they tend not to penetrate in a straight line when they do penetrate. Flatnosed bullets penetrate better and cut bigger holes, which is why virtually all cast revolver bullets designed for hunting are flat-nosed.
 
Shoot and then immediately MOVE off the line of force while recocking. Followup shots are very slow with this gun, as you know, and since you can't count on incapacitating your hypothetical attacker with a single shot, you need to be shooting and scooting. Stop, shoot, and scoot again, recock again on the move. Even non-incapacitating hits may be sufficiently discouraging or debilitating to slow down the attacker somewhat and allow you to gain distance.

And if you are serious about using the NAA as a defensive tool, PRACTICE the above. Find a place where you can practice shooting and moving, if you can, using IPSC/IDPA target. .22LR is cheap enough to practice a lot. And consider that you'll likely be shooting it one-handed in a crisis, and practice accordingly.
 
I practice drawing (pocket carry) and firing my 1 5/8" Magnum Mini at 7 yards for the fastest time to fire 5 rounds roughly COM on a torso target. After a few cylinders of that drill, I try accurate slow aimed fire out to 25 yards. The .22 magnum short barrel guns have decent penetration, up to 16" of ordnance gelatin (see brassfetcher.com). I feel far from unarmed with this weapon...

Big guns don't work well with tight low rise jeans!
 
If you shoot somebody with it there is a good chance they will fall to the ground crying and bleeding. a .22 mag is better than nothing for sure.
 
So, how well do you do ?

Once you figure out the correct sight picture, "minute-of-felon" is pretty easy to accomplish.

Wow, "emo-fashion" has made it to the gun world? Who knew?

Not everybody with a CCW permit wears 5.11 pants, size XXXL Hawaiian print shirts, or photo vests! ;)

I am sure many people would be surprised that I have a carry permit. :)
 
I practice drawing (pocket carry) and firing my 1 5/8" Magnum Mini at 7 yards for the fastest time to fire 5 rounds roughly COM on a torso target.

Are you saying that you think the best place to aim/hit with an emasculated .22 magnum is center of mass?
 
Are you saying that you think the best place to aim/hit with an emasculated .22 magnum is center of mass?

Center mass is the best place to aim on a moving/aggressive target so as to assure the best chance of actually landing shots on target. Center mass gives you the most room for error and as we have seen in countless shootings, there is a lot of error that occurs.
 
Come on DNS, you should know that with much practice you can pick out the pancreas and spinal column while running around for your life and under high stress - what kind of internet gun person are you?

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If you look at the statistics of actual shootings, you see a lot of shots fired and relatively few hits. Any tactics that call for perfect performance are doomed to fail. The best you can realistically hope for is a torso hit in a magazine full or cylinder full.
 
If one willingly elects to limit themselves to a North American Arms mini-revolver to fill the critical role of a self defense arm, then the severe limitations of that choice must be recognized to have any real expectation of successfully using it in a defensive situation.

The problem is most people do not recognize these limitations.

The less power you have, the more precise you must be in placing it where it'll do the most good. Nobody said it would be easy.

Given that the typical mugging encounter would be measured in feet, I maintain that the best target for any NAA mini-revolver is the face/neck.

If you find yourself in the rare, but possible, scenario of being 10-20 yds away from a killer (Luby's, etc) then center mass hits would be the better way to go......and, presuming you survived, that'd be the last time you ever chose a NAA for a primary carry gun.
 
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This is taken from the post "I had to get my gun". Clearly shows that even a .22 revolver will stop an armed robber. The robber's .45 didn't help him as much... (I don't really know what the robber had, but we can assume it was not a mini revolver).

I had to get my gun" said Mableton man, 83, in shoot-out with home invader
By MARCUS GARNER


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


A quick-thinking 83-year-old Mableton man foiled a home invader’s plans when he escaped bondage and shot the bandit.


Marcus K. Garner/[email protected] John Parrish, 83, rescued his wife, son-in-law, and a 10-year-old girl when a would-be armed robber broke into his home Tuesday. Parrish escaped bondage and shot three times at the intruder. He has bruises on his right forearm from breaking out of duct tape the intruder used to bind him.


Marcus K. Garner Tennis instructor Danny Carlton was shot in the leg by a home invader. His father-in-law John Parrish rescued Carlton, a 10-year-old pupil, and Parrish's wife. Carlton sits in his home office where he was bound and blindfolded, and where Parrish and the intruder exchanged gunfire.

John Parrish saved the day Tuesday with a pair of scissors and a .22-caliber revolver, police and a grateful son-in-law said.

“John Wayne is what we call him now,” said Danny Carlson, a tennis instructor who owns the home and who was shot in the right calf Tuesday as the octogenarian and the suspect exchanged gunfire.

“I don’t know what that guy would’ve done had he [Parrish] not come up here.”

Tuesday before 1 p.m., an armed man entered the basement of Carlson’s house on Nickajack Road, and encountered Parrish’s wife, Margaret.

Parrish and his wife occupy the basement’s in-law suite.

She’d heard her puppies barking and went to the bathroom to check on them, Carson said.

“As soon as she cracked the door, he grabbed her by the hair, put the gun in her ear and said, ‘If you make a sound, I’ll blow your brains out,’” John Parrish said Wednesday afternoon.

The intruder forced Parrish’s wife to the ground, tied her hands and feet with duct tape, and put a blanket over her head.

Parrish said he went to find his wife, and soon met the same fate – lying face down with his hands taped behind his back.

“He told me, ‘I don’t want to hurt you. I just want your money,’” Parrish said.

He told the invader he didn’t have any.

As the intruder stalked through the house, the retired freight dockworker hustled to free himself, twisting and wriggling his arms first, then crawling to the kitchen to find scissors to cut his legs free.

“I had to get my gun,” Parrish said.

Meanwhile, the intruder found a 10-year-old girl in the first-floor living room waiting to continue her tennis lessons with Carlson.

“He grabbed her and asked if anyone else was in the house,” said Carlson’s son, Chad, who came home from North Carolina on Wednesday after the incident.

The girl led the intruder to Danny Carlson’s office on the second floor of the house.

“I thought it was the little girl coming up to get me,” Carlson said. “But when I looked up, he had his arm around her and the gun pointed at me.”

The invader told the girl to sit down, and he bound Carlson and covered his head with a blanket.

“Then I just heard shooting,” he said.

Parrish had found his gun, loaded it, and sneaked upstairs.

“I shot three times and heard him groan,” Parrish said.

The intruder fired back twice, hitting Carlson once in the back of his right calf, and just missing Parrish.

“He ran past me and down the stairs out of the house,” Parrish said. “That shot came pretty close.”

Police say the suspect, described as a 6-foot-tall, roughly 250-pound black man in his 40s or 50s, is still at large, despite a lengthy search of the woods and nearby Silver Comet Trail near Carlson’s home.

Police say the intruder may have been wounded in the shootout.

Carlson said Parrish shot three times, “but we couldn’t find the bullets, so they must be in the intruder.”

Carlson was taken to the hospital and treated for the gunshot wound and a shattered tibia.

“The worst thing in the whole scenario is that the little girl had to witness all the gunfire,” Carlson said.

While Carlson said he would increase the security in the house, Parrish noted one thing he would do different.

“My wife never did want me to keep my gun loaded,” he said. “But now she said she does.”
 
22 Mags save the day !


Robber gets outgunned on Westside


By Allison Thompson
Times-Union staff writer

The shotgun-wielding man who burst into a crowded Jacksonville restaurant Monday night probably wasn't expecting Oscar Moore, but Moore had been waiting for him for years.

Moore, 69, of the Normandy area, said he goes over potential crime scenarios in his head and has been planning for something like the robbery he found himself in the middle of Monday. He said he carries a gun everywhere he goes unless it's illegal.

Yesterday, he said he had only one regret about the shooting - the gun he used.

''That gun I didn't trust to try to go for a head shot,'' said Moore, who shot the would-be robber in the midsection with a .22-caliber Magnum revolver. ''If I'd had another gun with me, I'd have gone for a head shotand taken care of it from here to eternity.''

As more than 30 diners sat in Sam's St. Johns Seafood at 4453 Blanding Blvd. about 7:20 p.m., a masked man entered the eatery and ordered everyone to the floor, said co-owner Sam Bajalia. The man grabbed waitress Amy Norton from where she and another waitress were huddled on the floor and tried to get her to open the cash register.

At that point, Moore stood up and shot him. Another diner, 81-year-old Robert Guerry of Birmingham, Ala., pulled out a .22-caliber derringer and fired at the man as he ran out of the restaurant. At least one shot hit the fleeing robber.

Seventeen-year-old Dervonne Marquise Moore of the 900 block of Frost Drive East arrived at St. Vincent's Medical Center later Monday night with a gunshot wound and was charged with armed robbery. Moore, who police said isn't related to Oscar Moore, underwent surgery and was in fair and stable condition yesterday.

Though it's been about five years since the restaurant was robbed, manager Carl Rix said he wasn't surprised when gunfire erupted.

Margaret Moore said she wasn't surprised either when her husband, who she said shoots pistols competitively, pulled out his gun.

''He goes prepared most places that he goes,'' she said.

She has had premonitions for the past several months that something was going to happen, Oscar Moore said.

Margaret Moore called her husband a hero, a sentiment others at the restaurant shared.

''I'm glad they [Moore and Guerry] were here because if that girl couldn't open the register, and he didn't get no money, he might have started shooting,'' Bajalia said.

Edward Hurst, 61, was having dinner with his brother and sister-in-law when the shooting began.

''I went over and thanked the one I thought hit him,'' Hurst said.

''They practically broke my arm shaking my hand,'' Oscar Moore said.

Norton, who has worked at the restaurant for a month and doesn't know how to open the cash register, was upset when Moore and Guerry shot at the robber.

''I was just scared they were going to miss and hit me,'' she said.

Police said Moore and Guerry won't be charged. Moore has a permit to carry a gun; it is unknown if Guerry has a similar permit from Alabama. He couldn't be reached for comment yesterday.

Moore believes with ''the weakness of our judicial system,'' a person confronted with a robbery should shoot to kill if given the opportunity.

''Somewhere along the line, we the people have to start protecting ourselves.''
 
This was pretty well answered in your first thread, and I will stick with my first answer, menacingly, with the [caveat] of adding shoot the before they realize what your doing. It's about the smallest gun you can get, and this question is best worked out with someone experienced in how to use it at a range so you learn and practice.

That being said, unless I was in prison, or in a speedo, I think I would carry something else.
 
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I take off my hat to anybody that can consistently hit a paper plate with one of these little rascals at 15 yards !

But I also have to agree that a .22 Mag or even .22 LR beats the heck out of a rock or club in your hand.
 
Well I have one, I do believe after having fired several hundred rounds though mine (it's a hoot to shoot) it is a well built gun, with an excellent warranty. This is one of the most concealable guns I own and can be easily palmed to the point of being invisible to the unatained....

Although the .22 mag can drop a deer in the correct gun with good shot placement. The goal in a defensive situation is to neutralize or keep your threat at a distance, so in close is not a good idea which is where this gun excels. Due to the very short barrel any hope of making a stopping shot at anything over 10' would be just shear luck. I can put them all in a 5-6" area at 21', this little gun has some juice to it and because of its small size tends to buck up in the hand, so follow up shots are awkward.....

If your goal is just to frighten, then it does make a big flash and bang, and that alone could scare the daylights out of your assialant.... This gun in my opinion would be more a tool of last resort...

Also reloading is slow and and somewhat awkward under any stress situation not a good thing....

My most effective use has been to date loading it with CCI shot shells and using it as a close range snake gun when in the desert....
 
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If your goal is just to frighten, then it does make a big flash and bang, and that alone could scare the daylights out of your assialant.
And then you're probably looking at jail time. Firing a shot is using deadly force. In most states you can use deadly force only if in reasonable fear of death or gevious bodily harm. Admitting you shot "to frighten" or "to warn" your assailant vitiates the claim of self-defense.
 
I don't carry a gun to "frighten" anyone, I carry it in case I need to use it to defend my life by employing deadly force.

This is an extremely serious, no nonsense reason, so I choose my gun accordingly.
 
If your goal is just to frighten, then it does make a big flash and bang, and that alone could scare the daylights out of your assialant.
And then you're probably looking at jail time. Firing a shot is using deadly force. In most states you can use deadly force only if in reasonable fear of death or gevious bodily harm. Admitting you shot "to frighten" or "to warn" your assailant vitiates the claim of self-defense.

No it doesn't and so long as the criteria were met for using lethal force, then no laws have been broken. Many people admit to being in fear for their lives from an attacker and admit to intentionally missing their attacker (warning shot) so as to give the attacker one last time to reconsider because the good guy shooter didn't want to have to kill the attacker.

Nowhere in the law does it say that you have to be motivated to hit the person.

Where it is illegal to fire warning shots is when the criteria for lethal force are not met.

Do a search on 'warning shots' here and note how many times people have used warning shots as a means of self defense and were not arrested as a result.

Granted, I think warning shots are a very bad idea, but that does not mean that they are necessarily illegal.
 
Warning shots in 99% of the cases are a bad idea, right up there with "shooting to wound."
 
It is a loud gun. I fired mine in an indoor range between the partitions and I swear I thought the thing blew up. I heard a tremendous boom, saw a flash, felt my hair blown back on my head and felt a pressure wave under my glasses. I slammed my eyes shut reflexively and wait a minute to open them.

Not making this up - it was scary! :eek:

I also had a SW 651 - nice gun but after 50 rounds, it was so fouled with unburnt powder, the cylinder seized up - had to clean the tar out of it. It also through clouds of unburned power on a paper target 15 yards out.
 
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