I'm seriously considering taking a refresher course this summer. have taken 3 or 4 local NRA courses and attended Thunder Ranch for a 5-day stint a few years ago. looking at the "Introduction to the Combat handgun" course at LFI. It's an 8hr class and within driving distance (2 hrs) so It would be a one day and be home thing. More or less just want a laid back not to intense refresher. Anyone have experience with this class?
LFI Intro. to Combat handgun class
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After Thunder Ranch I think you will find LFI a bit disappointing... Clint Smith is a VERY tough act to follow.
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After Thunder Ranch I think you will find LFI a bit disappointing... Clint Smith is a VERY tough act to follow.
FWIW
Chuck
I would advise against taking JUST the "Intro to the combat handgun" at your level of training. To be honest, your beyond that at this point, based on what you said about the training you've already received.
You should consider taking the complete LFI 1 class though. The legal aspect is worth the class by itself. Yes, you could take just the legal as a separate class, but I think that the shooting course combined with the legal course would be worthwhile, even though the shooting course by itself would not. The two parts of the class do work together.
You should consider taking the complete LFI 1 class though. The legal aspect is worth the class by itself. Yes, you could take just the legal as a separate class, but I think that the shooting course combined with the legal course would be worthwhile, even though the shooting course by itself would not. The two parts of the class do work together.
thanks guys, I appreciate the comments. Have considering LFI-I but due to time, it won't happen this year. (using my vacation time to bring son/wife to fun places) Was just thinking the Intro course for the fact I can drive there, take the class and drive home the same day. Only $175 too.
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For the LFI people in the room. Mas encouraged us to take "full-powered" ammo with us to LFI; I assume he means that we should bring our self defense loads and that he doesn't want us bringing target ammo with us. Is that pretty much correct?
I've done the legal portion of LFI-1 but not the shooting portion, but I will be doing that at some point soon.
I've done the legal portion of LFI-1 but not the shooting portion, but I will be doing that at some point soon.
BlkHawk73,
On second thought, forget what I said. Take just the handgun portion now. The refresher would do you good and you would learn some tricks since Mas's "Stressfire" is different from the "Modern Technique" taught at Gunsite and TR. You can take the legal portion later and you'll get the whole LFI experience in the end, just in smaller chunks. That helps with the financial hit as well, since you'll only have to pay about half as much each time.
RavenVT,
Just bring good quality factory ammo in a normal velocity range. It doesn't have to be your defensive ammo and I actually reccomend that you NOT shoot your defensive ammo for the majority of the class because of the expense.
What Mas doesn't want to see is downloaded "baby fart" handloads like those common in some of the action pistol games. You won't get the most out of the techniques if you shoot artificially reduced recoil loads.
I do reccomend that bring about 100 rounds of your prefered defensive load. At the end of the course you'll shoot a police style qualification exam and your score will be recorded and retained by both you and Mas. In addition to your score, the weapon make and model AND the ammo you used is recorded. I reccomend you shoot with cheap FMJ's that match your defensive ammo's bullet weight and POA (or are at least close) and then switch to the defensive ammo near the end of the last day. Try to time it so you shoot at least two or three strings BEFORE the qualifier so you can make sure the ammo runs OK in your dirty gun and then keep with it through the qualifier.
At the end, you'll have documentation of your training and with your prefered defensive pistol loaded with your prefered defensive ammo.
(If the ammo won't run with your gun dirty, switch back to load you were using or switch to a second gun that you know works with that ammo and handles the same as the gun you've been using. You don't want to mess up the qualifier)
When I took LFI 1 I brought two CZ-75's, one to shoot and one spare, 600 rounds of Winchester White Box 9mm 115 gm FMJ's, and 250 rounds of Federal 9BP 115 gr 9mm JHP's. I think I fired about 400 rounds of the white box and about 100 rounds of the Federal. I never needed the spare gun, but it was nice to have.
On second thought, forget what I said. Take just the handgun portion now. The refresher would do you good and you would learn some tricks since Mas's "Stressfire" is different from the "Modern Technique" taught at Gunsite and TR. You can take the legal portion later and you'll get the whole LFI experience in the end, just in smaller chunks. That helps with the financial hit as well, since you'll only have to pay about half as much each time.
RavenVT,
Just bring good quality factory ammo in a normal velocity range. It doesn't have to be your defensive ammo and I actually reccomend that you NOT shoot your defensive ammo for the majority of the class because of the expense.
What Mas doesn't want to see is downloaded "baby fart" handloads like those common in some of the action pistol games. You won't get the most out of the techniques if you shoot artificially reduced recoil loads.
I do reccomend that bring about 100 rounds of your prefered defensive load. At the end of the course you'll shoot a police style qualification exam and your score will be recorded and retained by both you and Mas. In addition to your score, the weapon make and model AND the ammo you used is recorded. I reccomend you shoot with cheap FMJ's that match your defensive ammo's bullet weight and POA (or are at least close) and then switch to the defensive ammo near the end of the last day. Try to time it so you shoot at least two or three strings BEFORE the qualifier so you can make sure the ammo runs OK in your dirty gun and then keep with it through the qualifier.
At the end, you'll have documentation of your training and with your prefered defensive pistol loaded with your prefered defensive ammo.
(If the ammo won't run with your gun dirty, switch back to load you were using or switch to a second gun that you know works with that ammo and handles the same as the gun you've been using. You don't want to mess up the qualifier)
When I took LFI 1 I brought two CZ-75's, one to shoot and one spare, 600 rounds of Winchester White Box 9mm 115 gm FMJ's, and 250 rounds of Federal 9BP 115 gr 9mm JHP's. I think I fired about 400 rounds of the white box and about 100 rounds of the Federal. I never needed the spare gun, but it was nice to have.
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Ah, so that's what Mas meant when he said "full power" but specifically mentioned that we'd do the quals with our SD ammunition. Makes perfect sense to me. Thanks Rob.
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