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I got a rather startling, polite, response to my email to the editor (See my earlier post, #20):

"Art,

Thanks for the feedback. You make a good point. I think some people have interpreted the wording of our question to show some sort of political slant. That certainly wasn't our intent. Rather, we worded the question to evoke public discussion, and we have gotten it, and the discussion is
firmly in favor of maintaining the right of people to bear arms.

Thanks again for writing.

Pat Rice
Editor"

What's puzzling to me is not that the article and the poll were run, but that the list was also published. I can see why somebody might run the article and the poll, but I think I'd not be so eager to do all of this at once. It just doesn't show any forethought, or concern for problems such as have been mentioned in earlier posts.

Of course, "packing heat" is emotive purple-prose writing...

Art
 
Have Fun with the Paper

Have fun with them... send them a thank you letter/message.

Tell them your undesirable liberal neighbor saw their list and put up a for sale sign... tell them you appreciate them scaring the libs off... and you won't have to put up with ugly Gore/Kerry/Dean signs anymore.

They will be so upset they won't do it again.

FWIW

Chuck
 
the publisher of the paper actually called me back today. i explained to him that a lot of people have permits because of stalking/abusive ex's. my wife is one of those. guess what? our names are not on the list anymore. i told him #1 it never should have been done and #2 we're probably not the only ones in that situation. he also said his address is in the phone book (which it is) but the reporters and editors are not. the editor called my wife today and she kinda went off on him but later apologized. he said he would be publishing his home address and she asked him to include the reporters too. wonder if we're gonna see that?
 
I just sent the following e-mail:

Dear Sir,

As a former resident of Florida and someone who holds a current Concealed Weapons License issued by the State of Florida, I am appalled by your dissemination via the internet of the names and addresses of people who hold Concealed Weapon Licenses. Some of these people have obtained CWLs because they have received threats against their persons, frequently by abusive ex-spouses. Your publication of their names and addresses is reprehensible. It is likely that many of the CWL holders have extensive and valuable collections of firearms. Your publication of their names and addresses could make their homes targets of burglaries.

Your irresponsibility in breaching the privacy of these individuals for the sole reason that they have availed themselves of their constitutional rights is reprehensible. While I have long since resigned myself to the lack of journalistic ethics in the national media that has resulted in the recent Newsweek debacle, it is disappointing to see such a lapse in a local newspaper that, at least in theory, ought to feel a responsibility not to needlessly endanger law-abiding citizens in the communities it serves.

Sincerely,

[Seminole]
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And here is the reply I received today.

[Seminole],
Thanks for the feedback.
I'm not going to try to convince you of another viewpoint, because you
clearly think we were wrong in publishing this public information. But I
do appreciate your thoughts.
Pat Rice
Editor
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On the other hand, you could write to the newspaper and thank them for indicating to potential felons where they are likely to encounter resistance. It could be pointed out that anyone not on their list may be considered easy pickins.
 
Seminole,

I get similar replys when I write the asswipe leftists at my newspaper too.
"I'm not going to try to convince you"
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No you are not, because you are totally damn wrong in your opinion and have no convincing evidence or fact to back yourself up.

I suggest going after the sponsors if this is your newpaper. Hit em where they live. It's amazing how their socialist principles crumble like cookies when their capitalist requirements are threatened.
 
I just checked and my non-resident was not included. I just watched the Front Site dvd last night and this brings home how his approach is smart.
 
What really surprises me is that the paper is owned by Freedom Communications (which owns The Gazette here in Colorado Springs). Freeodm Communications is very much a pro-liberty organization (unlike the Socialists who run most of the mainstream media).

The Gazette here in Colorado Springs is about as close as a "Libertarian Newspaper" as you can get (and the editorial stance here is clearly pro-gun).
 
The Gazette here in Colorado Springs is about as close as a "Libertarian Newspaper" as you can get (and the editorial stance here is clearly pro-gun).
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Well, kind'a sort'a approximately more or less almost in a way.

Most of the Gazette's purported "news" consists of articles from the New York Times, which is anything but libertarian.
 
It seems that they are getting a lot of responses, after I mailed my reply to them.

Sir,

I only have one question for you concerning the list that puts the names and addresses of all the concealed carry licenses on the Internet; Why? What could you actually hope to accomplish in publishing this list? Why do you want to put these individuals out in the open? What is your bottom line in this matter?

These are all individuals that passed an FBI investigation, were fingerprinted and input into the state police's computer system. These are NOT criminals!! Why would you publish names of outstanding law-abiding citizens in this way?

Maybe you and your editors can get together and ask yourselves that, while you have the capability, should you publish something like this.

Pwolfman
Florida Resident
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Their Reply

Thanks for your email. Are you from our coverage area, and are you a regular reader of the Daily News? Please let me know if you want.
Pat Rice
Editor
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Thanks for turning on the heat High Roaders!!!

pwolfman
 
[They publish a list of CCW holders but] they won't publish a list of sex offenders because it violates their rights.
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Heh. Another reason why I like Idaho. Here, the county sheriff's office publishes a lits of sex offenders online (including addresses), but does NOT publish CCW holders.

That's the way it ought to be. Publish the dangerous ones.
 
Most of the Gazette's purported "news" consists of articles from the New York Times, which is anything but libertarian.
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<Threadjack>

This is SOP for pretty much all noozepapers and tv stations in the country. Practically all of the news that gets reported anywhere comes from a handful of sources: The AP, Reuters News Agency, The New York Times, and a couple of others. After all, it's really unlikely that The Gazette, or the Bloom County Picayune, or whatever would have the resources to put reporters anywhere outside of the community they serve. As a result, local news outlets are pretty much forced to repeat the information handed to them by those organizations big enough to field reporters in New York, L.A., Baghdad, Khandahar, and every other place on the globe where something interesting might be going down. Unfortunately this has resulted in a very top-down hierarchy with practically no design for input from those at the local end.

This is how it's been done since time immemorial. Luckily, with the advent of the information age and the internet, this creaky old paradigm is unlikely to hang onto it's monolithic power in this form for too much longer.

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Me again:

Dear Mr. Rice,

I regret that you do not care to respond to the substance of my comments. Your unwillingness to address the issues I raise strengthens my suspicion that your publication of the names and addresses of law-abiding responsible citizens who have chosen to avail themselves of the ability to legally conceal a weapon is a case of simple sensationalism.

Sincerely,

[Seminole]
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Just want to let you guys know that if you go to this web page and do a search of the publisher's name you can find his and his wifes social security numbers as well as information on his mortgage, ex wife, and son. They are all available for free in the public records the court house publishes on the internet.

Finding info on Pat Rice and the managing editor seems more difficult, there's stuff there, but not as much. I assume they've lived in the area for less time.
 
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