craig
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i checked their web site today. the poll is still there but the link/list is gone. maybe the pressure got to them, who knows? the editor hasn't stopped by yet but it's only been a day.
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Most of the major newspaper in Ohio publish the CCW holders lists, too. Right now, a lot of folks [like ME!] are leaning on our state legis-sneakers to fix that. The liberal press, meanwhile is howling loudly and longly about it...(their access to publish those lists) being taken away. But we {CCW holders} need this fixed. At least 2 Cleveland area crimes have been planned by the CCW lists as published in the Cleveland "Plain Dealer", as the crooks admitted doing. At least one planned after the BG's read the lists in the Akron "Beacon Journal". The Lake County News-Herald is another publisher of lists, along with Warren & Youngstown papers. Not sure (haven't verified) but I have heard the Toledo "Blade" publishes lists, too.
////sorry, ranting and raving mode off now
////sorry, ranting and raving mode off now
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I swear...
They are really lucky that we take the high road/ are lawful/ etc. I'd have to wonder how I'd react when something like that endangers my family. I don't have the balls to do anything preemptive, I have too much to lose. However, if anything happened to my family because of something like this, I'd have nothing to lose, and I might consider revenge.
*I, of course, do not advocate violence. I am merely throwing a though process out for discussion. [/lawyer talk]
They are really lucky that we take the high road/ are lawful/ etc. I'd have to wonder how I'd react when something like that endangers my family. I don't have the balls to do anything preemptive, I have too much to lose. However, if anything happened to my family because of something like this, I'd have nothing to lose, and I might consider revenge.
*I, of course, do not advocate violence. I am merely throwing a though process out for discussion. [/lawyer talk]
Foghorn:
Can you provide any links to stories about those incidents where criminals used the CCW lists? They could be useful for those contacting either a legislator or another newspaper. Proof always helps to document you're position.
Can you provide any links to stories about those incidents where criminals used the CCW lists? They could be useful for those contacting either a legislator or another newspaper. Proof always helps to document you're position.
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I'll look for the links on the Ohioans for Concealed Carry website. Here is the link to the OFCC website, and I'll see if I can link the particular article...
http://www.ohioccw.org/
Ah, here is the link to OFCC's news archives that has the report of crime planning by CCW lists:
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2725
I'll look for the links on the Ohioans for Concealed Carry website. Here is the link to the OFCC website, and I'll see if I can link the particular article...
http://www.ohioccw.org/
Ah, here is the link to OFCC's news archives that has the report of crime planning by CCW lists:
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2725
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Thanks, this will be helpful.
When you write a newspaper or legislator you are simply expressing an opinion, so far as they are concerned. They of course consider their opinion or position to be better then your's.
But if you can prove that what you are contending has indeed happened what you are saying becomes much stronger.
We can be sure that if they get away with it, this business of posting the lists will continue - because the urban media is for the most part anti-gun and opposed to CCW. The best way to strike back is to offer proof that criminials are taking advantage of the published lists (therefore making the newspaper an accessory before the fact because the criminal is dependent on the published information to commit whatever crime).
At the same time it doesn't hurt in private messages to point out that they're staff can also find themselves in the same boat as others post their names, address, phone numbers, and other personal information.
Last but not least, telling them you'll also go after the paper's bread & butter by posting the names and e-mail addresses of some of they'e major advertisers will also get their attention. Advertisers pay out big bucks to help sell a product or service, not get potential customers mad. I can say from personal experience that when they start hearing from unhappy advertisers they'll back off quick.
When you write a newspaper or legislator you are simply expressing an opinion, so far as they are concerned. They of course consider their opinion or position to be better then your's.
But if you can prove that what you are contending has indeed happened what you are saying becomes much stronger.
We can be sure that if they get away with it, this business of posting the lists will continue - because the urban media is for the most part anti-gun and opposed to CCW. The best way to strike back is to offer proof that criminials are taking advantage of the published lists (therefore making the newspaper an accessory before the fact because the criminal is dependent on the published information to commit whatever crime).
At the same time it doesn't hurt in private messages to point out that they're staff can also find themselves in the same boat as others post their names, address, phone numbers, and other personal information.
Last but not least, telling them you'll also go after the paper's bread & butter by posting the names and e-mail addresses of some of they'e major advertisers will also get their attention. Advertisers pay out big bucks to help sell a product or service, not get potential customers mad. I can say from personal experience that when they start hearing from unhappy advertisers they'll back off quick.
chopinbloc
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i got no problem with it. let 'em come. i know they might come when i'm not home, well same with anyone else, but if they came for the guns are they gonna wait until i get home so i can open the safe for them? sure, they could ambush me as i come in, but crooks usually ain't that bright so they would leave plenty of splintered wood and/or broken glass to clue me into the fact that, gee, there might be someone in my house. at which point i call the cops and guard the door (only one way into my 2nd floor apartment.)
Seminole
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Still no answer to my second e-mail.
Carl N. Brown
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Newspaper publishing CCW lists
In Nov. 2002 our local newspaper started raising a sink on the
editorial page about crimes committed by carry permit holders in
Texas and demanding the right to publish the names and addresses
of TN carry permit holders.
(In TN its Handgun Carry Permit, allowing concealed AND open carry
I contacted the spokespersons for the TDPS Texas Department
of Public Safety and TNDOS Tennessee Department of Safety
and flooded the newspaper with facts: Texas permit holders are
LESS likely to commit crimes than non-permit holders, and
Tennessee judges are required by law to pull the permits of
any person arrested and/or charged with a crime, so publishing
the names of permit holders is not necessary for public safety.
(Both my contacts at TDPS and TNDOS were ladies named
Taylor and were very prompt and courteous in response. I owe
them flowers.)
I should not have to do the research that the newspaper should
have done, but from my correspondence with the "author" of
the editorial, I got the impression his source was the Brady Center
for Handgun Violence, which he cited to me as the Brady Center
AND The Center for Handgun Violence.
The newspaper has remained silent on demands to publish the
names of carry permit holders since 2002.
In Nov. 2002 our local newspaper started raising a sink on the
editorial page about crimes committed by carry permit holders in
Texas and demanding the right to publish the names and addresses
of TN carry permit holders.
(In TN its Handgun Carry Permit, allowing concealed AND open carry
I contacted the spokespersons for the TDPS Texas Department
of Public Safety and TNDOS Tennessee Department of Safety
and flooded the newspaper with facts: Texas permit holders are
LESS likely to commit crimes than non-permit holders, and
Tennessee judges are required by law to pull the permits of
any person arrested and/or charged with a crime, so publishing
the names of permit holders is not necessary for public safety.
(Both my contacts at TDPS and TNDOS were ladies named
Taylor and were very prompt and courteous in response. I owe
them flowers.)
I should not have to do the research that the newspaper should
have done, but from my correspondence with the "author" of
the editorial, I got the impression his source was the Brady Center
for Handgun Violence, which he cited to me as the Brady Center
AND The Center for Handgun Violence.
The newspaper has remained silent on demands to publish the
names of carry permit holders since 2002.
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