Licensed to Carry, Denied Purchase...?

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Hello-

I've enjoyed reading this forum while staying in the background. Hope you'll all forgive my first post being a request for helpful information.

Today I received a call telling me that my firearm purchase that was delayed yesterday was finally denied. Coincidentally, my Georgia Weapons Carry License (GWCL) that I had applied for two weeks ago arrived in the mail today soon after I received the denial call.

I last purchased a firearm about ten months ago with no problems. Since then I've had one speeding ticket for which I paid a fine with no license points. We have also moved into a new home in the same county during that time. I've had no arrests, no misdemeanors, no felonies.

Why am I denied a purchase while issued a license? I believe that Georgia checks the same database used by licensed gun dealers. I've filled out the FBI NICS appeal paperwork, and planned to get fingerprinted to send into the appeals office next week. Now that I've received the license, I wonder if I should present it to move forward with any purchases and not worry about getting fingerprinted again. Or should I try to clear this up, either through NICS or through a local LE agency, in case there is something on my record resulting from identity theft?

Ideas/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
Go through with the appeal. They will tell you why you were denied (in error). Most likely, you name is similar to a prohibited person.

When you get a GWCL, they have fingerprints to resolved any identity conflicts, not so with a firearm purchase.

Most likely once you are denied once, you will continue to be denied.

You may want to consider applying for the VAF also. This paperwork should also have been included in the forms you got from the FFL.
 
I was denied A purchase even though I have had A Florida CCW for many years. The apeal was A PITA but took only A couple days. I have bought 7 or 8 guns since with no problems. Don't let them deny you of your rights!!!!!!!!!
 
I bought a Kel-Tec P-3AT at a gun shop in SC a couple of months ago and they said since I had a SC CWP they did not have to phone it in. Just filled out the form, paid and left.
 
I believe you can get some sort of pin number to use for future purchases once you have this cleared up. That way you don't have to worry about being mistakenly denied again in the future.
 
Here in Texas when you present your CHL to the FFL at the time of purchase or transfer, they do not call anyone.

Is it not that way in Georgia?
 
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VinnAY said:
I wonder if it's like that in MO....I really haven't bought retail since I got my permit. ^^
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I've updated my post to reflect "purchase or transfer".

It doesn't matter how you get your guns, if they go through an FFL here in Texas, the presentation of a valid CHL serves as the background check.
 
The OP didn't have his permit when the transaction took place, it was still in the mail.

Coincidentally, my Georgia Weapons Carry License (GWCL) that I had applied for two weeks ago arrived in the mail today soon after I received the denial call.
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Use of the NICS System is restricted to only FFL's, Distributors and Manufacturers - and then only in the course of transfering a firearm to an unlicensed individual. State and local law enforcement agencies use a different system and database.

Or so they say... :uhoh:

The NICS database is dependent on information received from local, state and federal courts. In spite of the FBI's best efforts it is never completely up-to-date, and sometimes contains errors. Thats why they can hold up a sale for 3 days to investigate a questionable sale further.

Mistaken itentity is not uncommon, especially if the potential buyer has a common name. Usually a S.S. number and date-of-birth will straighten things out quickly, unless that information isn't available for the "prohibited person" that has popped up.

TexasRifleman's advise in post #8 is the way to go.
 
It's Georgia. No need for appeals or any of that junk here. Take your GFL card, go to the gunstore, fill out the 4473 and show them your card. Here in GA there is no need for a NICS call if you have a GFL.

Wyman
 
Here is a list of the only states which have permits that qualify as an alternative to an NICS check:
(Note: These permits qualify for no more than five years from date of issuance regardless of the actual expiration date.)

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Alaska              Concealed weapons permits marked NICS-Exempt

Arizona             Concealed weapons permits qualify.

Arkansas            Concealed weapons permits issued on or after April 1, 1999 qualify.

California          Entertainment Firearms Permit only

Georgia             Concealed weapons permit qualifies. 
                    (Note: Temporary renewal permits/licenses do not qualify.)

Hawaii              Permits to acquire and licenses to carry qualify.

Idaho               Concealed weapons permits qualify.

Iowa                Permits to acquire a handgun and concealed weapons permits qualify.

Kentucky            Concealed weapons permits issued on or after July 12, 2006 qualify.

Michigan            Licenses to Purchase a Pistol qualify.
                    Concealed Pistol Licenses (CPLs) issued on or after November 22, 2005, qualify

Mississippi         Concealed weapons permits issued to individuals under Miss. Stat. Ann. § 45-9-101 qualify. 
                    (NOTE: security guard permits issued under Miss. Stat. Ann. § 97-37-7 do not qualify).

Montana             Concealed weapons permits qualify.

Nebraska            Handgun purchase certificates qualify.

North Carolina      Permits to purchase a handgun and concealed handgun permits qualify.

North Dakota        Concealed weapons permits issued on or after December 1, 1999 qualify.

South Carolina      Concealed weapons permits qualify.

Texas               Concealed weapons permits qualify.

Utah                Concealed weapons permits qualify.

Wyoming             Concealed weapons permits qualify.
 
Thanks

Thanks for all the info.

I'm told at my FFL dealer that I should not use the license to purchase, even though they may not call the NICS line, since I could "get in trouble" for trying to purchase after a denial. I'm told by the NICS that an appeal will take about 116 days. Any thoughts on what I can (legally) do to purchase? Will my license be at risk if I use it to make a purchase before filing a successful appeal?

Thanks again for the help and opinions.
 
I'm told at my FFL dealer that I should not use the license to purchase, even though they may not call the NICS line, since I could "get in trouble" for trying to purchase after a denial. I'm told by the NICS that an appeal will take about 116 days. Any thoughts on what I can (legally) do to purchase? Will my license be at risk if I use it to make a purchase before filing a successful appeal?

NO. There is absolutely no trouble that you can get into for legally purchasing a firearm with your weapons permit.

And to answer someone earlier, once denied does not mean always denied.

I had a customer try to buy a gun while having several warrants for his arrest. The police and sheriff deputies came to arrest him at the store. He took care of the warrants and came back in to buy a gun the following week. ATF told me to just have him fill out another 4473. He was approved just one week after being denied.
 
fas111 said:
I bought a Kel-Tec P-3AT at a gun shop in SC a couple of months ago and they said since I had a SC CWP they did not have to phone it in. Just filled out the form, paid and left.
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That varies state to state. Just because it works here in SC doesn't mean it works any where else. It also doesn't mean your SC CWP has the same effect in any other state when you are making a purchase.
 
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