Limp wristing?
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Limp wristing is not providing enough resistance to recoil which can cause a problem with semi auto functioning. Use and maintain a firm grip on the handgun when shooting and you won't have a problem. How firm a grip one asks? I say hold onto the pistol as tightly as you'd hold on to any other piece of sporting equipment like a tennis racket, golf club or baseball bat. Pretty much the same rule applies to shooting as the other sports about not "breaking your wrist".
Harley Quinn
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If you shoot it one handed and the recoil goes straight back to the shoulder, standing sideways you have less of a tendecy to have the problem you are talking about.
The way to avoid is to grip the pistol/revolver good, but not to good unless you are shooting some of the heavy hitters (which because of your question I think you should avoid til you shoot more).
One thing to do is buy a grip ball and only grip it with your thumb and three lower fingers and get used to that grip. Practice doing that a lot. Leaving your shooting finger straight.
The index finger should not be gripped at the same time.
Then gripping with the three fingers tight into your palm, thumb covering with a good grip, move the trigger finger alone hundreds of times to develop the memory for shooting.
That will help you a lot to increase your ability, to shoot well. IMHO.
HQ
The way to avoid is to grip the pistol/revolver good, but not to good unless you are shooting some of the heavy hitters (which because of your question I think you should avoid til you shoot more).
One thing to do is buy a grip ball and only grip it with your thumb and three lower fingers and get used to that grip. Practice doing that a lot. Leaving your shooting finger straight.
The index finger should not be gripped at the same time.
Then gripping with the three fingers tight into your palm, thumb covering with a good grip, move the trigger finger alone hundreds of times to develop the memory for shooting.
That will help you a lot to increase your ability, to shoot well. IMHO.
HQ
CountGlockula
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Also, most limp wristing results in empty casings hitting you in the head.
Harley Quinn
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Beretta boy,
talking there I am thinking
talking there I am thinkingLonestar49
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Some Yes, some No
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The only gun, out of the five I own that I cannot shoot one handed, or have a brain-fart and limp wrist a shot, and pay the price for that, occasionally, is my Colt Defender. All the others continue to feed and shoot.
The Colt will let you get by every know and then, but never 2 shots in a row, and all the (my) others will..
So, IMHO, some guns are forgiving of bad form, and some aren't..
LS
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The only gun, out of the five I own that I cannot shoot one handed, or have a brain-fart and limp wrist a shot, and pay the price for that, occasionally, is my Colt Defender. All the others continue to feed and shoot.
The Colt will let you get by every know and then, but never 2 shots in a row, and all the (my) others will..
So, IMHO, some guns are forgiving of bad form, and some aren't..
LS
Hunter0924
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In my mind a properly built pistol should run limp wristed, sideways, upside down, dirty, dry, all or none of the above.
The Lone Haranguer
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You need to maintain a firm grip as well as keep your wrist locked while shooting. Obviously, the human wrist cannot be physically locked, but you need to maintain tension/compression on the wrist muscles so the wrist and hand does not move independently of the rest of your arm during recoil. When the gun fires there will be a sudden upward torque, aka muzzle flip. The gun, hand, wrist and forearm must move in unison, resembling a pump handle. It is not just gun malfunctions you have to worry about. Independent movement of your wrist and hand will increase your shot dispersion and your recovery time from recoil to get the gun back on target again during rapid fire.
Hawk
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Limp wrist is probably real but a lot depends on the source.
If it's invoked by your dealer or the manufacturer to explain why your new pistol doesn't work, the liklihood that it's bogus is 99.99999%.
If it comes from your instructor, then I'd guess 50%
Much like critical mass with weapons-grade plutonium, if "limp wrist" invocation occurs in the same paragraph with the phrase "break-in", the bogusity index goes up by an order of magnitude. I've never heard "limp wrist" and "break-in" in close proximity of anything other than a broken pistol. Ever.
A self-defense pistol should run weak hand, one handed, upside down with a compromised grip, if it doesn't, it - NOT YOU, needs fixed.
If it's invoked by your dealer or the manufacturer to explain why your new pistol doesn't work, the liklihood that it's bogus is 99.99999%.
If it comes from your instructor, then I'd guess 50%
Much like critical mass with weapons-grade plutonium, if "limp wrist" invocation occurs in the same paragraph with the phrase "break-in", the bogusity index goes up by an order of magnitude. I've never heard "limp wrist" and "break-in" in close proximity of anything other than a broken pistol. Ever.
A self-defense pistol should run weak hand, one handed, upside down with a compromised grip, if it doesn't, it - NOT YOU, needs fixed.
Harley Quinn
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Hawk
Good point and one worth addressing for the fellow, who is asking.
I remember that very arguement when in the days of old, the Various Police Departments wanted to go the Semi-Auto's.
They came up with numerous reasons, not to...Now most shoot the Glock Mdl 22 in 40 Cal. Or the 17 in 9 mm
HQ
Good point and one worth addressing for the fellow, who is asking.
I remember that very arguement when in the days of old, the Various Police Departments wanted to go the Semi-Auto's.
They came up with numerous reasons, not to...Now most shoot the Glock Mdl 22 in 40 Cal. Or the 17 in 9 mm
HQ
Limp wristing is not providing enough resistance to recoil which can cause a problem with semi auto functioning.
This is correct. Limp wristing only effects semi autos. The more the recoil the more effect it has on the operation of the gun.
If it comes from your instructor, then I'd guess 50%
As an instructor I would up the percentage. There was a lot of talk about limp wristing when the agency I worked for adopted Glocks. The fact that the gun is significantly lighter than similar sized pistols due to the polymer frame. I guess it can be a problem with other polymer frame guns but I don't have a lot of experience with others as I do with Glocks. Rarely did I see it with a 9 mm Glock. I have seen it an issue with some physically smaller shooters with a 45 Glock. However after diagnosing the problem anyone can overcome it even a 4'10" 85 lb shooter I had with a 45 Glock. You just need to hang on to the gun.
This is correct. Limp wristing only effects semi autos. The more the recoil the more effect it has on the operation of the gun.
If it comes from your instructor, then I'd guess 50%
As an instructor I would up the percentage. There was a lot of talk about limp wristing when the agency I worked for adopted Glocks. The fact that the gun is significantly lighter than similar sized pistols due to the polymer frame. I guess it can be a problem with other polymer frame guns but I don't have a lot of experience with others as I do with Glocks. Rarely did I see it with a 9 mm Glock. I have seen it an issue with some physically smaller shooters with a 45 Glock. However after diagnosing the problem anyone can overcome it even a 4'10" 85 lb shooter I had with a 45 Glock. You just need to hang on to the gun.
Harley Quinn
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Limp wrist or better yet: Sort of a flinch at the time of pulling the trigger.
One of the reason's I recommend gripping a ball the way I did. Sort of a push it, pull it, problem for some. If the trigger pull is light I have found it to be much less of a problem. Seems the heavier the trigger pull the more some seem to have the problem that appears to be not enough backing for the gun for recoil situation.
You can see it even with a two hand hold. So there is more to it than just holding the gun. It seems. Many times that second hand causes problems. So then you have to go to a single hold and work it out.
Persons who push with the left and pull with the right are going to be having some horrible groups
In the Glock there are many springs available for various reasons, some times it is necessary to check that area out.
The lighter bullets are suspect also. The range of ammo from 180 to an area of the light Frag ammo shows that to be a major contributor to some problems that look one way, but are another one totally.
Lumbering bullets vs the fast light ones is what I am talking about. In the 22 rimfire, the weight of the bullet is very important for proper function of the slide. (velocity also as much as little as 4 grains is a culpret), in 22's that is only 10% not like some of the ammo out there where the pistol should operate with a varience of much more than that (weight of bullet).
The ammo for a 45 and 9mm (war ammo) that were recommended never to be changed. When you did all sorts of problems and gunsmithing needed to be done for the want of a different bullet.
One of the reason's I recommend gripping a ball the way I did. Sort of a push it, pull it, problem for some. If the trigger pull is light I have found it to be much less of a problem. Seems the heavier the trigger pull the more some seem to have the problem that appears to be not enough backing for the gun for recoil situation.
You can see it even with a two hand hold. So there is more to it than just holding the gun. It seems. Many times that second hand causes problems. So then you have to go to a single hold and work it out.
Persons who push with the left and pull with the right are going to be having some horrible groups
In the Glock there are many springs available for various reasons, some times it is necessary to check that area out.
The lighter bullets are suspect also. The range of ammo from 180 to an area of the light Frag ammo shows that to be a major contributor to some problems that look one way, but are another one totally.
Lumbering bullets vs the fast light ones is what I am talking about. In the 22 rimfire, the weight of the bullet is very important for proper function of the slide. (velocity also as much as little as 4 grains is a culpret), in 22's that is only 10% not like some of the ammo out there where the pistol should operate with a varience of much more than that (weight of bullet).
The ammo for a 45 and 9mm (war ammo) that were recommended never to be changed. When you did all sorts of problems and gunsmithing needed to be done for the want of a different bullet.
Bobo
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Carl N. Brown
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Given the fact that if you are fighting for your life
that means you may be fighting already wounded,
a gun that won't function unless gripped firmly
may be a liability.
that means you may be fighting already wounded,
a gun that won't function unless gripped firmly
may be a liability.
Hunter0924
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I am friends with a few gunsmiths that tell me (at least as far as a Government Model go) a pistol should run limp wristed, sideways, upside down, dirty, dry, all or none of the above, period. I am sure there are limitations to this but if you own a pistol that is that finicky about how you use it I would switch pistols.
I have attempted to induce failures in several of my Government Models with less than perfect grip technique and they still ran.
I have attempted to induce failures in several of my Government Models with less than perfect grip technique and they still ran.
.41 magnum man
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Limp wrist? I knew a boy in high school that was limp wristed. He kept asking us other boys to go out with him. Later on, not only was his wrist limp, but he sashayed when he walked. Poor kid. I don't know what was wrong with him. Lack of muscle control I guess.
busy_squirrel
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Limp wristing is real, I can do it on command with some guns. Sometimes claening/lube changes this, but it's a problem that guns shouldn't have. If you don't make a good combo with a particular gun, get a new one.
But any vendor or manufacturer claiming limp-wristed shooting as a reason for problems is only making excuses for their gun.
But any vendor or manufacturer claiming limp-wristed shooting as a reason for problems is only making excuses for their gun.
.41 magnum man
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busy squirrel said: "Limp wristing is real, I can do it on command with some guns."
That's him! That's the guy from high school!
That's him! That's the guy from high school!
Harley Quinn
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That's him! That's the guy from high school!
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You are a comic, for sure. Hopefully the mods don't ruin your sense of humor and others will not take you to seriously.
You have a good one (humor)
HQ
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You are a comic, for sure. Hopefully the mods don't ruin your sense of humor and others will not take you to seriously.
You have a good one (humor)
HQ
.41 magnum man
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Hi Harley. I hope people just enjoy the goofing off. I sure don't mean to be causing trouble, I just see humor in certain things and act on it. Hey, Busy Squirrel, don't take me serious on stuff like that. I mean no harm.
busy_squirrel
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You talking to me?
Not offended at all.
I was just wondering if guns had been invented when you were in high school.
Not offended at all.
I was just wondering if guns had been invented when you were in high school.
.41 magnum man
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Busy Squirrel, I'm so worn out from just getting a deer mounted I can't even think of any cool thing to say right now! Maybe I'll come up with something tomorrow. I do like your picture, though. That wrist doesn't seem too limp to me.
That sounds right to me.
"Limp wristing" in a 1911 is called "FTE" with any other design. With other pistols, it's a design flaw - so they fixed it. With the 1911, it's not possible for it to be a design flaw, so it must be a shooter issue - likely he isn't man enough to handle a 1911. That way it's not necessary to fix the design.
Mike
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