List of the 23 EO's

[armedandsafe]

When choosing a Doctor, present an application sheet with questions about his training, history and speciality. Include the "Do you own one or more guns?"

Pops

 

[Swing]

[X] Angry parent told me to place said question where the sun don't shine.

LOL!

 

[ExTank]

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

as one of the reasons the debate is an emotion vs. facts debate is the research don by Dr. Lott. I know enough about statistics that the question is as important as the answer and I am seriously concerned with how, what, and to whom the questions will be asked by any CDC sponsored study. Bad questions result in bad data, and if we make policy based on bad data, we get bad policy. I acknowledge that the more quality data we have the better, but the CDC has never been politics free (nor have firearms), so I am apprehensive of the results.

Now the CDC can investigate the "disease" of gun ownership and cure all us sick people. Yippee.

#14 is one of those insidious suggestions that seem reasonable, until you realize, as IdahoSkies and jon in wv (and I) do, that this very, very bad.

Cherry-picked data by anti-gun doctors and health organizations can provide "ammo" for the anti-gun lobby, in the form of "reliable" statistical studies by the likes of Arthur Kellerman, that "prove" that more gun control is needed.

There's a reason Congress smacked the C.D.C. on the wee-wee some years back and yanked a chunk of its funding: it was putting out anti-gun junk-science that, because it was "government studies," got accepted as Gospel without any peer-review. Dissenting voices were just ignored.

And if anyone is thinking that we "won" anything today, think again; all we accomplished was to push them back a bit until they can figure out their next strategy to approach the same topic with.

 

[Alaska444]

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.





#14 is one of those insidious suggestions that seem reasonable, until you realize, as IdahoSkies and jon in wv (and I) do, that this very, very bad.

Cherry-picked data by anti-gun doctors and health organizations can provide "ammo" for the anti-gun lobby, in the form of "reliable" statistical studies by the likes of Arthur Kellerman, that "prove" that more gun control is needed.

There's a reason Congress smacked the C.D.C. on the wee-wee some years back and yanked a chunk of its funding: it was putting out anti-gun junk-science that, because it was "government studies," got accepted as Gospel without any peer-review. Dissenting voices were just ignored.

And if anyone is thinking that we "won" anything today, think again; all we accomplished was to push them back a bit until they can figure out their next strategy to approach the same topic with.

+1, how can Obama strengthening his platform for future engagements be considered a win at all? Britain laid the groundwork for a complete ban in about a 100 year campaign. This is just one more brick in that concerted effort here in America.

 

[hirundo82]

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Don't get what this has to do with anything. Very weird. The ACA is what it is, it's not like this can amend it, correct?

The text of the ACA is so vague that it leaves a lot of the substantive decisions to be made be the executive branch (mostly the Secretary of HHS, but I imagine a lot are coming directly from the White House). I imagine this vagueness is by design, to take as many decisions as possible out of the hands of Congress.

 

[hirundo82]

Patient privacy is gone with these provisions, patients who own guns are likely not going to seek any mental health care to avoid reporting this condition to NICS.

I'm a medical student; I'm currently on a psychiatry rotation at the VA, and this is a concern I hear many psychiatrists voicing.

As for myself, I can't see a medically relevant question to ask if a patient owns guns unless I think they are at a high risk of committing suicide. On my pediatrics rotation, the question in the form was "Are there any unsecured guns in the house?", which I think is a good way to ask.

 

[CLP]

I'm a medical student; I'm currently on a psychiatry rotation at the VA, and this is a concern I hear many psychiatrists voicing.

As for myself, I can't see a medically relevant question to ask if a patient owns guns unless I think they are at a high risk of committing suicide. On my pediatrics rotation, the question in the form was "Are there any unsecured guns in the house?", which I think is a good way to ask.

Seems reasonable. However, do the peds folks ask about unsecure gating around swimming pools? Do some research on how many children die from accidental drowning vs. accidental shootings and then ask some of your attendings or residents why they don't ask about swimming pools...

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

Our Veterans are going to get screwed by Obama and the Democrats. Please wrte your reps and demand that veterans be protected .

 

[r1derbike]

#18 is indeed interesting, and I support the study. However, the list is very general and written in broad-speak, probably resembling nothing that the EOs will even encompass. It looks like a trojan horse, that hasn't emptied its warriors yet.

Agree with the poster about waiting for the other shoe to fall. We haven't seen anything at all about the scope, or substance of the real cloak and dagger proposals. I'm afraid we better stick together, because it will be shocking, when the truth hits the table, as a thrown gauntlet.

 

[Drail]

"Unnecessary legal barriers" The Bill of Rights is now an "unnecessary legal barrier"?

 

[stanmo]

Sounds like a lot of nothing.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

What are you talking about.

Some people need to step back and take a deep breath.

NOTHING changed today.

I'm not worried about today. I'm worried about tomorrow. I'm worried about Veterans health records being used against them. I'm worried that people won't get medical care because of a loss of privacy and that said care will cost them their Rights without Due Process. I'm worried because all I see is a general list and not the published EO's. So you can drop your guard but I won't.

 

[robhof]

robhof

Nothing specific about mentally ill and guns, except throwing a bunch of our tax dollars at the CDC to study gun violence; ten years and billions of dollars to conclude; yep there's gun violence. Nothing about the worst gun violence is in the cities with the strictest gun laws??? includeing his majesty's home town of Chicago, rated #1 for gun deaths in the nation!! His gun death statistics also included Justified shootings by LE and law abiding gun owners legally defending themselves of course with fewer legal guns, criminals would be a lot safer at their jobs.:banghead:

 

[Cosmoline]

11. Nominate an ATF director.

This one is particularly hilarious. He's issuing an executive order TO HIMSELF to nominate someone. I'm sure he has high hopes of breaking through his own resistance on that one.

I'll bet they had top men on it.

Top. Men.

LOL The top men who apparently decided to have him snub one of the eager youngsters.

 

[Alaska444]

I'm a medical student; I'm currently on a psychiatry rotation at the VA, and this is a concern I hear many psychiatrists voicing.

As for myself, I can't see a medically relevant question to ask if a patient owns guns unless I think they are at a high risk of committing suicide. On my pediatrics rotation, the question in the form was "Are there any unsecured guns in the house?", which I think is a good way to ask.

Best wishes to your medical studies. Unfortunately you are entering medicine in a time where politics will dictate many aspects of your practice which makes a difficult profession much more so.

I can't recall any time I asked folks about firearms, perhaps when someone stated they had suicidal ideation which was not all that often in my internal medicine practice.

Tying the firearm issue in to the Obamacare provisions along with mandatory reporting will hinder people seeking your help as a psychiatrist. Temporary issues in the eyes of a psychiatrist could lead to lifetime loss of 2A rights.

I wish you the best, medicine is a great career and I hope it remains that way. You will have a unique opportunity to impact people's lives in a positive manner few are afforded to even see. I was told as a 3rd year med student that being a doctor is a privilege. That is even more true today.

 

[wild cat mccane]

The NRA helped pass a law that the ATF director has to be passed through the house.

There is no ATF director thanks to the NRA. It is not because of Obama.

 

[michaelbsc]

... sadly, most are probably still mindlessly worshipping.

I have studiously avoided any conversation at work because of political differences between me and the guy I work with.

I'm here to tell you that some of the supporters are absolutely still worshiping.

 

[VAPOPO]

1-4 really bother me. They seem way to vague and leave the door open for misuse

Gaurentee this is a way to open up VA medical records to bar people suffering from PTSD and depression due to their military service from posessing weapons. He has tried this one before.

 

[Sam1911]

Interesting...so it looks like he WON'T ban high-cap mags via E.O.? Won't make AR-15s NFA firearms by E.O.? Won't shut down the NICS system by E.O.?

So in the end he managed to come up with 23 things he could lawfully do under his Constitutional authority ... mostly to recommend, commit, finalize, appoint and such? And not one thing that would be Constitutionally challenged? How about that?

 

[4570Tom]

Perhaps he will let Congress take the heat on the big ticket items--AWB, magazine restrictions, "gun show loophole". If Congress doesn't end up passing any or all of these he can always come back with more EOs.

 

[anchorman]

Our Veterans are going to get screwed by Obama and the Democrats. Please wrte your reps and demand that veterans be protected .

from what i've seen obama has done a lot more for our veterans than the previous president, who was really in to underfunding the VA.

 

[anchorman]

. If Congress doesn't end up passing any or all of these he can always come back with more EOs.

Actually he can't. The president cannot write laws with EO's, he can only make changes within the scope of the existing laws, according to the power under those laws that he has been granted by congress, and apparently that's not much in the case of gun rights, or wouldn't he have already done it?

 

[DammitBoy]

Interesting...so it looks like he WON'T ban high-cap mags via E.O.? Won't make AR-15s NFA firearms by E.O.? Won't shut down the NICS system by E.O.?

So in the end he managed to come up with 23 things he could lawfully do under his Constitutional authority ... mostly to recommend, commit, finalize, appoint and such? And not one thing that would be Constitutionally challenged? How about that?

Gloating with "I told you so's" - not very high road...

 

[anchorman]

Gloating with "I told you so's" - not very high road...

There's a lot of stuff that's not "high road" that goes on here when a Democrat is in the white house. It seems some people let their rage and fear get the best of them. it's too bad - it makes it hard for them to make friends with people who are different than they are, and makes it harder for us all to rally as a unified force around the thing we all definitely care about, our 2A rights.

 

[foxtail207]

#16 should worry everyone. Anything attached to Obamacare is no good.