Why do regular people believe weird things?

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Tunnels under Denver International Airport which extend throughout the U.S.; the extermination camps in southwestern Indiana (the barbed wire faces the wrong way); the HAARP project that controls the weather -- and thus the food supply; and (my favorite) the plan by the government to project a holographic image of Jesus Christ returning to Earth to explain the disappearance of all of the Christian militia and patriot citizens -- "they've been taken up!"
 
O yeah HAARP, very cool, I had some old Bush Rat Alaskan explain to me in a bar once that HAARP "rays" would kill all patriots unless they protected themselves with some type of salve (which Im sure included the mass quatities of weed this dude smoked)...also was told once that the Aurora Borealis was caused by HAARP

WildholybloodholygrailAlaska
 
Wildalaska

Think he was living that old joke that the punchline is "Now! Where's that Alaskan woman I'm supposed to kill?"

Didn't try to sell you any whisky and salve, did he?:D
 
Define rationality, especially a common every day kind...

If you're living in Baghdad in an anti-American community that believes strapping dynamite to your body and walking up to an American soldier before detonating is rational, are you ration if you believe that's a good thing, or a bad thing?
 
If you're living in Baghdad in an anti-American community that believes strapping dynamite to your body and walking up to an American soldier before detonating is rational, are you ration if you believe that's a good thing, or a bad thing?

OK but now you are adding cultural relativism in the mix....if we assume, as we should, that US culture and rational political/socila ideas are the norm, we have a starting point to define wierd...

WilddownwithcultrualrelativismAlaska
 
But at the end of the day, someone really did shoot JFK from the grassy knoll... all the objective evidence points to that. And so, when the government insists Oswald was a lone gunman, we know that not only was there a conspiracy, but that the government is covering it up.

It doesnt' seem to be a very big stretch to then figure the people who were behind the JFK assasination and cover up, are at least still having influence with our government.

At the end of the day, there really was a conspiracy to kill JFK.

I find less problem with people who speculate about what that conspiracy entails, than with people who reject out of hand that there ever was a conspiracy.
 
Don, if by "objective" you mean all the sources of information that agree with your preconceived notions of a conspiracy. then I guess you would be right, sadly.
 
The notion of a conspiracy is a very usefull thing. For anything I don't understand or want to explain away, I merely label it as a "conspiracy" and all is well.
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No, I mean the objective facts, rock jock.

If you look at just the physical evidence, the zapruder film, and where bullets impacted, the JFK conspiracy is not a theory, but a fact.

You can deny the facts, but that's fine-- that's your own personal conspiracy theory.
 
The JFK conspiracy theories are still theories, IMHO. The are facts that can be used to help support various theories (evidence), but they are still theories.

My personal opinion on that is that I don't have enough information to make an informed judgement. The way it looks, I'll probably never have enough information.
 
"relativism"


Congratulations, you said the magic word, and will win absolutely nothing...


Everything is relative based on a vast number of varying parameters.

Thus, there's no true way to define weird, or even rational. You can only define it as a subset of what the core group believes.
 
I know a guy like that too.
The thing is that the actions of our government is what leads people to think like that.
I don't like to be paranoid, but the truth is that there are times that some of the things I read about the powers and capabilities of the government scare the hell out of me.
Maybe a little paranoia is a good thing.
At the very least, if a guy is a little fruity but not hurting anyone, is it really anyone's business?
 
"relativism"

yep, that's the big word. Can be used to justify anything. To a leftist, it basically means "Western values = wrong", to a non-leftist it means lets examine "Western vs. 3rd world values" means Western is better.

All depends on moral relativism and such....
 
Presuming you really really want a technical answer from a professional member of the thought police? (just kidding)

Here it is.

The human mind is like a computer, processing various sensory stimuli in a parallel distributed manner. Procesing of ideas takes place at the phenominally slow bandwidth of 7 bits +/- 1 bit at a refresh rate of maybe 300 msec, roughly 3 cycles per second. (Your only redemption here, making you faster than an ole 8088 processor is the fact that you have about 3 trillion neurons each with about 74,000 synapses, but there is a HUGE bottleneck at the threshold of conciousness.)

People do pretty well with direct sensory stimulation. On most days you can tell the difference between a deer in mufti and a hunter in orange. All this is processed before it gets to the centers of awareness.

Language, however is EXTERNALLY preprocessed and precoded.

So.

Garbage in---garbage out.


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I don't know anyone like that personally, but I tend to view it like this: Would there be conspiracy theorists if there wasn't such thing as conspiracy? In other words, conspiracies have happened, and still could happen. I have no examples to contribute, but anything's possible I guess.

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Wes
 
Coast To Coast Am

its good to be out their with open mind just take things with grain of salt. it can be good form of entertainment,information or fantasy.

alot of weird stuff in the world. just look at the facts. live on the 3rd rock from the sun filled with few billion people divided by hundreds of languages,culture and beliefs.
 
People are nuts...

in varying degrees; some show it all the time, and some hold it in until they explode. There are also a lot of folks who just like to throw something absurd out there, to get a reaction. Most are not malicious, and never harm anybody. I like to think of them as job security.

Ever notice how some of the most even-tempered, contented people you'll ever meet are country folk (farmers, cattlemen, dairymen, etc.) who haven't spent half their lives getting their brains scrambled by liberal academia or the press? They watch the news and see all the mayhem, sickness and absurdity- and then they'll go plop down on the couch and rub Mama's feet just because it makes her feel good. Most will ask a blessing at meals, and most know where to turn when the world just don't make sense any more. They turn to the God that created it.

But there I go being a 'religious nut' again.

It is my belief that a functional moral compass, and the ability to believe in absolutes of right and wrong, are major components to your overall sanity and happiness. Personally, I think Elvis was shooting at aliens from that grassy knoll... but what do I know?
 
As for relativism, G. K. Chesterton put it rather well:
The word “good†has many meanings. For example, if a man were to shoot his grandmother at a range of five hundred yards, I should call him a good shot, but not necessarily a good man...
See - it's even firearms-related! :D
 
I hope that these links provide some insight:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0002F4E6-8CF7-1D49-90FB809EC5880000
http://www.ulrc.com.au/html/Frequently_Asked_Questions.asp?FAQRefNum=FAQ0004
http://www.2think.org/wpbwt.shtml
http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/conspiracy_proandcon.htm
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id1767/pg1/index.html
From the above article:
There's certainly much to be paranoid about in an age of hyper-accelerated technology, culture, globalization, change and marketing. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), most conspiracy theories are like cold fusion--they look like they work and produce a Eureka moment but the reality usually does not match appearances. Ray Brown, a Bowling Green University professor, writes, "There is just enough sanity in some of these conspiracy theories to make them almost believable. By and large, however, they are creations of very rich imaginations because we simply can't accept life as it is." Usually, the essence of conspiracy theory is that an event happened; there are connections between the person involved in the event and other people with their own agendas; and it could be theorized that all of these people were linked to make the event happen for a specific reason. To use the World Trade Center attack as an example:

1. The World Trade Center is attacked.
2. George W. Bush is an oilman and many of his friends are oilmen.
3. One of Osama Bin Laden's brothers was a partner of Bush's.
4. Afghanistan, where Bin Laden is hiding, is where oil companies want to run a pipeline but the Taliban government is unfriendly.
5. The intelligence community knew that something "spectacular" was going to happen but did not prevent it.
6. Therefore, Bush allowed Bin Laden to attack the World Trade Center in order to have an excuse to invade Afghanistan and set up a friendly government, which would allow the pipeline to run through and make oil companies money.Events, connections, agendas form the basis for conspiracy theories. If we take the above example and flesh it out with more direct and indirect connections between various players, then it could sound plausible. I personally don't believe it, but it could sound plausible to many rational people. And this gets to the root of the problem with many conspiracy theories, the attempt to indict people and organizations based purely on circumstantial evidence. We could make the process of logic even simpler in this example:

1. Joe was murdered.
2. Bob hated Joe.
3. If Joe would die, Bob could try to date Joe's girlfriend.
4. Bob murdered Joe.

Another problem, with the massive, elaborate theories, is a lack of common sense. One has to ask how the world's greatest secret societies have volumes of material written about their inner plans and workings. Or how many years the U.N. army is going to hide in Mexico before they are finally allowed to invade the U.S. Or why 13 rich white men who already rule the world behind the scenes would want to stage a military takeover of our country. The larger the conspiracy is, generally, the more holes and greater contrariness to common sense. A final problem with conspiracy theories is that they are too often used to justify racial and religious prejudice and hatred. When you hear somebody say that Jews have a plot to take over the world, the menace and hatred makes you wish conspiracy theories didn't exist at all.
 
Good book by Carl Sagan about this particular human behaviour trait. It is titled "The Demon Haunted World: Science as Candle in the Dark." Also read "Why People Believe Weird Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other Confusions of Our Time" by Michael Shermer. There are several other books as well. Ignorance, chemical imbalances, stupidity, alcohlism, etc. but mostly ignorance I think.
 
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