Load Data For Snakeshot ????
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David Wile
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Hey Quickdraw,
I never tried to make any loads for an auto loading pistol. I have always had both auto loaders and revolvers, and it always seemed more simple for revolver loads. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I make my loads with just the brass rather than using the shot capsules. I have always thought a auto loader would have trouble feeding my loads, and I also suspected the capsules might break if used in an auto loader. Perhaps someone else has had success making snake loads for an autoloader and can tell about it.
I also tried another experiment with the 44 Mag which was not a success for me. I had always wanted to get more of a shot load (without using capsules), and I thought I would make some long 44 Mag brass so it would reach to the end of the cylinder chamber.
If I recall correctly, I think I used 303 British brass which I cut and trimmed to the length of the cylinder and sized in the 44 Mag die. When I tried to put one in the cylinder, I found the new length case would not go all the way in because the chamber diameter is smaller where the bullet normally reaches from the end of the 44 Mag case to the end of the cylinder. Not to be stopped, I thought I could simply size the end of the new case a little smaller so it would fit in the cylinder. I have no idea what I used to size the end of the case the 3/8 or 1/2 inch that was necessary to fit the cylinder, but I did manage to size my test cases a wee bit so they would fit in the cylinder just fine.
Thinking I had it made at this point, I figured out a shot load and powder charge for my new cases. After loading the powder, I tried to put a 44 cal. gas check on top of the powder, and then I realized my idea would not work. Once the new 44 Mag "long" case had the end sized to fit the cylinder constriction, it was too small to get a gas check to enter and seat on the powder. I realized that I could have loaded the powder in an unsized case, seated the gas check on the powder and then sized the end of the case and loaded the shot. However, once the end of the case was sized smaller, I would not be able to seat a gas check on the top of the shot load. I also know I could have cut smaller card stock wads to top off the loads, but I did not think it was worth the trouble.
So, for 357 and 44 Mag loads, I simply use Mag cases as I described in my earlier post. Let us know how you make out with a 45 auto load. If it feeds alright, I might try it in my 10 MM.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
I never tried to make any loads for an auto loading pistol. I have always had both auto loaders and revolvers, and it always seemed more simple for revolver loads. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I make my loads with just the brass rather than using the shot capsules. I have always thought a auto loader would have trouble feeding my loads, and I also suspected the capsules might break if used in an auto loader. Perhaps someone else has had success making snake loads for an autoloader and can tell about it.
I also tried another experiment with the 44 Mag which was not a success for me. I had always wanted to get more of a shot load (without using capsules), and I thought I would make some long 44 Mag brass so it would reach to the end of the cylinder chamber.
If I recall correctly, I think I used 303 British brass which I cut and trimmed to the length of the cylinder and sized in the 44 Mag die. When I tried to put one in the cylinder, I found the new length case would not go all the way in because the chamber diameter is smaller where the bullet normally reaches from the end of the 44 Mag case to the end of the cylinder. Not to be stopped, I thought I could simply size the end of the new case a little smaller so it would fit in the cylinder. I have no idea what I used to size the end of the case the 3/8 or 1/2 inch that was necessary to fit the cylinder, but I did manage to size my test cases a wee bit so they would fit in the cylinder just fine.
Thinking I had it made at this point, I figured out a shot load and powder charge for my new cases. After loading the powder, I tried to put a 44 cal. gas check on top of the powder, and then I realized my idea would not work. Once the new 44 Mag "long" case had the end sized to fit the cylinder constriction, it was too small to get a gas check to enter and seat on the powder. I realized that I could have loaded the powder in an unsized case, seated the gas check on the powder and then sized the end of the case and loaded the shot. However, once the end of the case was sized smaller, I would not be able to seat a gas check on the top of the shot load. I also know I could have cut smaller card stock wads to top off the loads, but I did not think it was worth the trouble.
So, for 357 and 44 Mag loads, I simply use Mag cases as I described in my earlier post. Let us know how you make out with a 45 auto load. If it feeds alright, I might try it in my 10 MM.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
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Anyone have loading data for .38 special shot capsules and red dot/promo?
I don't want to have to buy another powder if I decide to make my own shotshells.
I don't want to have to buy another powder if I decide to make my own shotshells.
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Red-Dot is not one of the powders Speer lists for .38 Spl. shotshells.
But if I had to guess, I'd guess about 4.0 start - 4.5 grains max.
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But if I had to guess, I'd guess about 4.0 start - 4.5 grains max.
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snakeshot update
Well made some progress in producing snakeshot for my 45 acp Ruger P345.
I reloaded and shot about 15 or so made from cut down 308 brass. Loaded with bulleseye, paper wad, #8 shot, and either paper or plastic wad glued in. Could not crimp since the brass was so thick. They shot well but I just didn't like having the top wad glued in. Felt like if the glue gives I'm gonna lose the shot and powder. So I figured there had to be something better.
pics of shotshells from 308 brass
Taking some advise I got here and other forums as well as from Dave at CH Tool & Die. http://www.ch4d.com/ I decided to get some 45 Win Mag brass and try making shotshells out of them. Thinking that since they were thinner I would be able to put a crimp on them. Now I needed to choose either the shotshell dies from RCBS or the 45 acp blank crimp die set from CH Tool. I went with CH tool because they were less $ and Dave was very helpful (not pushy to sell me something). They shipped out and I had them in my paws in 3 days. Last night I put some together and hopefully I will try them out this weekend. The shoulder die necks down the brass so that it will chamber in 45 acp handgun. Once they are loaded (same materials as the 308) the crimp die puts a nice star crimp on to hold everything in!
I included some pics of the process that the shoulder die and the crimp perform.
pics of shotshells made from 45 Win Mag brass
Well made some progress in producing snakeshot for my 45 acp Ruger P345.
I reloaded and shot about 15 or so made from cut down 308 brass. Loaded with bulleseye, paper wad, #8 shot, and either paper or plastic wad glued in. Could not crimp since the brass was so thick. They shot well but I just didn't like having the top wad glued in. Felt like if the glue gives I'm gonna lose the shot and powder. So I figured there had to be something better.
pics of shotshells from 308 brass
Taking some advise I got here and other forums as well as from Dave at CH Tool & Die. http://www.ch4d.com/ I decided to get some 45 Win Mag brass and try making shotshells out of them. Thinking that since they were thinner I would be able to put a crimp on them. Now I needed to choose either the shotshell dies from RCBS or the 45 acp blank crimp die set from CH Tool. I went with CH tool because they were less $ and Dave was very helpful (not pushy to sell me something). They shipped out and I had them in my paws in 3 days. Last night I put some together and hopefully I will try them out this weekend. The shoulder die necks down the brass so that it will chamber in 45 acp handgun. Once they are loaded (same materials as the 308) the crimp die puts a nice star crimp on to hold everything in!
I included some pics of the process that the shoulder die and the crimp perform.
pics of shotshells made from 45 Win Mag brass
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