Load data requested.

[scythefwd]

All, I have both a Lyman 49th edition and a Lee 2nd edition. I have looked up Hogdon's load data for mine rifle as well

.308 win
165 gr Partition (and sierra game kings)
H4895

The Hogdon and the Lee manual have the starting load at 41gr. The lyman has it starting at 38.1. Anyone have a speer, nosler, or hornady loading manual they are willing to post the starting and max loads for. I'm not worried about the low starting charge from lyman but I am curious what other manufacturers say about it. I've already loaded up stuff from 38 grains to 42 grains for load workup. The max is 43.5, and I have no interest in shooting that hot of a load from this rifle.

Thanks!
scythefwd

 

[ArchAngelCD]

You have an error in your data. The Lyman 49th Edition manual does not list H4895, they list IMR4895. While both powders are close they are not the same and the load data for each is not interchangeable.

While Lyman 49 lists 38.0gr to 43.2gr it's for IMR4895. Lyman 47 has the same data.

Nosler's load data on their site also lists IMR4895 with a charge range of 44.0gr to 48.0gr but they do not list H4895.

Speer #12 also lists only IMR4985 with a range of 39.0gr to 43.0gr with a 165gr bullet.

Again, IMR4895 and H4895 do not have interchangeable load data. The Hodgdon site lists a charge range of 42.7gr to 45.5gr of IMR4895 while the charge range for H4895 is 41.0gr to 43.5gr with a 165gr bullet.

The Lyman 49th Edition manual is probably my favorite manual but for the fact they usually reference IMR powders much more than Hodgdon powders and I like to use Hodgdon powder more than IMR powders. (that's a problem! LOL)

 

[kelbro]

Did you check the Hodgdon website?

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
165 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H4895 .308" 2.750" 41.0 2525 38,600 CUP 43.5 2694 50,000 CUP

 

[scythefwd]

Kelbro - did you read my post? Yes, I check the Hodgdon website... Even stated so in the first post.

ARCH - good catch. Looks like I have some bullets to pull, no biggie. Thanks for the IMR load data, but could you list the H4895 load data? I'm not using IMR.

Man, I looked at that data at least 4 times in both manuals... cannot believe that I missed that. I've heard people say that if you are using load data for IMR for H and vice versa, back off the max load by 10% and keep an eye out for over pressure. 10% of 43.5 grains is 4.35 grains. That would put me in at 39.15 grains. 10% off from the starting load of 41gr is 36.9.

On the other hand... My loads are fine for a 307 winchester Looking at the case dimensions, they are the same cartridge with a different extractor grove and base (one is rimmed it looks like). I'll pull the 12 rounds that are loaded at 38 grains and up them to 43 grains. The rest (39 and 40 grains) will just be pulled and left as primed brass).

Again, Thanks very much Arch for catching my mistake. I don't think I would have done any harm to myself or the rifle with that light of a load, but I'll pull em just to save the powder .

 

[loadedround]

The current Speer Manual #14 ldoes not list the 308 Win with 165 gr/H48954 powder, However Speer does list the 165 gr bullet with IMR4895 with starting load of 38.0 gr and maximum is 43.0 gr. Note this load is for IMR4895 powder, and is not INTERCHANGEABLE with H4895 powder. Speer does not list Hodgdon's H4895 with the 165 gr bullet.

 

[kelbro]

Yep, read your post. Said you saw the Hodgdon data but you said it was a manual. The website is usually the most current so I posted it for your reference.

I like to use the powder maker's data.

If you are not interested in the max, what are you looking for? A lower starting load?

I tried a lot of H4895 with that bullet. It was OK but when I switched to IMR4064, my groups were incredible.

 

[scythefwd]

kelbro - I already had the max. I, in general, don't need the max though. I don't intend on loading to the max if I can help it... keeps my brass around a hair longer, more economical on the powder, and possibly more accurate. This is a paper puncher, and not one I expect to break 1 moa for the most part so I don't see the need for max loads. I was just confirming my load data I had here. I'm the type of guy that will prefer to use 6 sources vs. 2 sources, vs. 1 source. I'm using h4895 as it's also garand friendly and I'm trying to keep it very simple for the time being. If I cant get 1.5 or better using H4895 on the .308, I'll try something else.

Also, in regards to the max loads... The lowest max load is what I was going to abide by. I asked for the maxes to see if anyone had a lower max than the 43.5. In reality, I'll probably be between 42 and 43 grains, closer to 42 from what I've seen so far. My rifle seems to like lower recoiling rounds. I have some .308 that are loaded with what I suspect is BL-C(2) at 42.5 grains shooting 1.25". The hot hunting loads I have for it are closer to 4 moa (rifle really doesn't like them, one using nosler ballistic tips, the other using winchester silver points which is a coated ballistic tip).

 

[scythefwd]

Well, groups 1 and 2 have been redone in 43 gr vs. 38 grains. Groups 3-6 have had the bullets pulled and the powder put back in the jug. Will have to see which shoots the best, take the two best groups for each bullet type and work my way through then.

I'm so glad I opted for the press mounted bullet puller instead of a kinetic bullet puller.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

ARCH - good catch. Looks like I have some bullets to pull, no biggie. Thanks for the IMR load data, but could you list the H4895 load data? I'm not using IMR.

If I could I would but none of the sources I quoted have data for H4895 other than the Hodgdon load data site. That's why I mentioned I'm also frustrated at the fact Lyman 49 lists mostly IMR powders and not their Hodgdon counterparts!!! Sorry...

 

[MARKMALL]

This load data is from Hornady 6 th edition.
165-168 grain bullets


h4895 2100/fps- 35.1 gr. / 2200- 36.8 / 2300- 38.4 / 2400-40.1 / 2500-41.7 / 2600-43.3