Logic on not keeping a gun within arms reach at bedside

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What is the logic behind the old "rule" if you will, that you shouldn't keep a gun within arms reach of yourself at night. I've heard that if you have a bad dream and wake up you may shoot a family member or something. Is there any proof behind this? I've slept with a fixed blade knife within arms reach before and I've had bad dreams. I didn't wake up and stab someone though.

I found some threads that address this issue but none of them are dedicated to it. Does anyone have stats for this kind of thing?
 
I have always wandered about this too. But I keep my glock 22 in its origional case inside the nightstand just in case of this.
 
I do all sorts of things in my sleep, and I have no doubt that a loaded gun on the nightstand would be a bad idea for me. I might keep one in a drawer near the bed though, as the effort needed to retrieve the gun would certainly wake me up, much like I usually wake up while searching the fridge for something edible or trying to get my jacket out of the closet or something similar.

Its a real problem for me, but if you have have no such issues in the past I seriously doubt that the prescense of a gun would make any diffrence.
 
I keep mine next to the bed but in the night stand drawer. This adds a step to the process of retrieving the weapon. I have a phone, scanner, flashlight, ipod, on my night stand...but my weapon is in the drawer. The extra second or two will hopefully allow some of the cobwebs to get cleared thus allowing me to think a little clearer with gun in hand.

Heard stories, from our CCP instructor, of people answering their gun in the middle of the night when the phone rang.

Just my .02
 
Never heard of this one. I keep my glock by the bed and i have bad dreams all the time. no problem
 
I keep mine right next to the bed on the floor. never had a problem. That being said all people are different, if you're inclined to sleep walk etc. it might be a bad idea
 
Never had a problem with firearm beside my bed. I keep both a pistol and a shotgun.
 
Abrink, I think you have answered the question in your inquiry. Some people sleep so soundly they they may awaken from a bad dream and pose a potential risk to themselves or others. At least, this is the theory that I have heard mentioned throughout the years. Personally, when I awaken, I am good for go.

Concerning the stats to support this position, I know of none. But this potentially disasterous situation is something firearms owners should consider seriously when planning to defend against a home invasion.


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rem 870 within arms reach. never grabbed for it before, and i have bad dreams every night almost.
 
My wife sleepwalks. She'll get up, take a shower, and cook a meal in the middle of the night, all in her sleep. She doesn't keep a gun on her nightstand. I've never sleepwalked, so the Glock lives on my nightstand when it's not in my pants, and the shotgun lives by my side of the bed permanently.
 
I have woke up W/ the gun in hand. I've also pushed DW out of bed and landed on top of her in the wee hours, because "Didn't you hear that? somebody's shooting an M-60 at us". Another skill set I learned in the military is the ability to distinguish incoming from outgoing artillery in my sleep.
I sleep W/ the gun holstered in the nightstand now. By the time I get to the gun I'd hope to be wide awake.
 
Know Thyself

A friend once told me that he had switched from keeping a cocked and locked 1911 under his pillow to keeping a Ruger SP101 there. He explained that he woke up one night and saw feathers (from his pillow) floating around the room. He figured that the thumb safety had slipped off, allowing the pistol to fire, presumably as his head moved on the pillow. When I pointed out to him that the 1911 has a grip safety, I was able to convince him that he had to have fired the pistol in his sleep and that he could do the same with a double-action revolver. He now keeps the revolver a bit farther away at night.

There are some studies that suggest that in the first few seconds you are awake you are functioning at the same level of impairment as most people when they are at the threshold level for DUI.

I believe that each of us needs to honestly assess his own propensity to handle a firearm while asleep and ability ability to do so safely when just awakened, as well as that of anyone else who may sleep in the same room.
 
No sleep walk problems

Don't react to bad dreams. Revolver handy in case of intruder in bedroom but if I awake and respond to noises in house or on property I walk across room and trade revolver for shotgun. By then I am wide awake and good to go.
 
The physiology of sleep is that you are effectively paralyzed during REM sleep that's when you dream. You have no muscle tone at all. So if you do sleep walk you probably have a sleep disorder and need to get it diagnosed. There are documented cases of people driving eating etc while asleep. There was even one case where a man thought he had wounded a deer and was trying to break it's neck only to find he had his wife in a head lock!! So if you do sleep walk etc I would suggest you keep the gun away from the bed if you don't have a sleep disorder you shouldn't have a problem.
 
I sleep with one of various handguns under my pillow.

I do not keep a round in the pipe.

I sleep very lightly, and do not toss or turn.

I am a little wary because of the "phone call" issue brought up earlier. I have had one experience waking up to a phone call, picking up a deodorant stick, and putting it to my head.:eek: (Of course this was in my teens before I had ever fired a gun):rolleyes:
 
unless you are in some sort of extended sleepwalking stage (sleepwalking ends before the teens generally), the mechanical and intricate act of grabbing a weapon, unsafing it then managing to shoot your bed companion is extremely unlikely.
 
Am near retirement age and have kept a gun beside me at night for many years-nearly fifty. I have never put it in my hand w/o being fully awake. Noises wake me completely and am totally awakened before my eyes open. My wife, on the other side of the coin is one I would not trust with a weapon at the ready. wc
 
I guess I'm going to go ahead and give the same answer(s) that most people have already given here, and that is to know how you react, how you act in your sleep, how quickly you wake up, etc. before deciding exactly what to do with your gun.

I sleep with a handgun (currently P2000 but soon to be 1911 when it comes back from the smith) in the nightstand drawer, empty chamber. My thought process here is twofold:

1) I don't sleepwalk, but sometimes I do / say things in my sleep that I may not be aware of and my wife tells me about the next morning - ESPECIALLY if I've taken any medication like Benadryl (which makes me sleep VERY heavily, but my allergies can get pretty rough so sometimes I've gotta take it).

2) REM sleep is a rough thing to shake off - I don't think I'm the only one who sometimes wakes right up very easily and feeling refreshed after 6 hours of sleep, and sometimes has to be drug out of bed and can't shake it with 3 cups of coffee after 8 hours... if your sleep cycles are consistent and you always wake up at the same time in the morning / always go to bed at the same time every night, you may never wake up in that groggy haze in the morning, but everyone dreams (you may not remember them, but you do), and when you're in that particular phase of the sleep cycle, it is VERY difficult to shake it off. If awoken by my wife at o'dark thirty, who knows what my brain's status might be at any given moment?

3) I love my wife more than anything and, even if I've never touched a gun in my sleep, I want to do everything in my power to ensure I never do by accident. That sort of thing is the mistake you only get to make once, and it's not worth it to me, no matter what.

So to balance those concerns against the need for a serviceable weapon, I think the drawer works well for me. All I have to do is roll over, pull the drawer open with my right hand, grab the gun with my left, rack the slide and I'm ready to go (I'm a southpaw). Plus, the sound of that slide racking serves the dual purpose of alerting whoever is in my home that they should be heading for the door, so maybe that would give me a little extra advantage in the moment of truth (assuming they are rationally frightened by the sound of an action working).

Also, from a different standpoint, dragging that drawer open and racking the top of the slide are more gross motor movements that might be easier to execute properly under stress than manipulating a manual safety or opening a thumb break on a holster, although that is very much debateable and I don't intend to argue that point very far.

One other thing that is important to me, though it might be different for you - by keeping the gun in the nightstand, I don't have to worry about when we have visitors over being frightened / covetous, since it's out of sight and they have no reason to get in there. Seeing it on the top of the table might send the wrong message to people I might not want to know what I've got.

Just my decisions on the matter, FWIW.
 
My grandfather stopped sleeping with his wife after punching a hole in the wall one night while asleep. He would loudly argue in his sleep. Couldn't understand a damn word, but he didn't sound happy. :D
 
I keep both a pistol and a shotgun.
Me too, both loaded, and have never had a problem (knocking on wood as I type).

I think we need to look at the event that made you wake up (if you woke up)? I've heard noises before that took me from dead asleep to wide awake and lucid within seconds; I guess the body's reaction to potential danger. My dog barking or growling brings me around in nano-seconds.

For sleep disorders, such as sleep walking, I think it is a good idea to visit a doctor and get some help. Guns aside, who wants to be wandering in traffic at 3 a.m.? I also believe getting help is the responsible thing to do. Can you imagine trying to live with yourself if you accidentally hurt someone? Who knows what the law would think.
 
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