Do you folks have advice on Night Force -v- Vortex? I'm not sure why Night Force has a really long scope, 12x55x56, that's a bit cheaper than a Vortex gen 11? That I believe is a 42 max length. Is there benefit to a 55 over a 42 for focal length or is it too long? Or what else should I be thinking about? I'm in a lead sled but I just do not know. As far as rings go, I really don't know who to pick or which to pic. All this is going to sit atop a Begara 6.5 Creedmoor. For all you long range guys, I really appreciate your time and thoughts.
Long distance scope and rings, what & why please
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I'm going to tell you this, I'm a vortex guy... I have a razor 5-20x50 hd, 6-24x50 pst, and a 4-16 44 hs-t. For the money and warranty you are going to be hard pressed to beat them. I do like the nightforce scopes but I love the vortex scopes. There is a vortex razor gen1 hd on Gunbroker right now for a VERY low price... and 2 on ebay for a reasonable amount... the great thing you can buy used because the warranty will transfer!!!
I think both have their good and bad. Really can't go wrong with either. And I always end up picking night force over vortex, no particular reason behind it.
I get a bit cheap on the rings and go with Leopold most of the time, same with bases. Never caused a problem.
I get a bit cheap on the rings and go with Leopold most of the time, same with bases. Never caused a problem.
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I shoot with Horus reticles. Adjustment and reticles are in mils. Some people don't like the Horus reticles because they think they are too "busy". With these, the shooter zeros the rifle at 100, then does not adjust the knobs for range- adjustment is with holdovers, so knowing the dope for your rifle in mils is required. Low end scope is the horus hunter ( +/- $500) 3-12x, 30 mm. Higher end is the Bushnell HDMR (about $1600) 5-21x, 34 MM. I use Badger ordinance or Larue tactical mounting hardware. I prefer Larue.
It depends entirely on what you plan to do with it
For benchrest from a lead sled the NF benchrest 12-42x is hard to beat. For practical / tactical stuff the vortex gen2 4-27x is the best choice. The nf has better selection of reticals and especially target reticals. It is not a hard use scope like the nxs line. It is sfp. The vortex is intended to be super tough and it is ffp and has a more practical reticle. If you wanted to compare tactical scopes look at the nf atacr f1. If vortex makes a benchrest scope that's news to me and disregard this post.
Those numbers are the magnification range.
For benchrest from a lead sled the NF benchrest 12-42x is hard to beat. For practical / tactical stuff the vortex gen2 4-27x is the best choice. The nf has better selection of reticals and especially target reticals. It is not a hard use scope like the nxs line. It is sfp. The vortex is intended to be super tough and it is ffp and has a more practical reticle. If you wanted to compare tactical scopes look at the nf atacr f1. If vortex makes a benchrest scope that's news to me and disregard this post.
Those numbers are the magnification range.
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For rings, no reason to break the bank unless you're running a .50 BMG. One hunk of aluminum isn't going to be much better than another. A set of inexpensive Warne rings will do the job just fine.
For the vast majority of people, it does not make sense to spend $80+ when good rings can be had for for 30-40 bucks.
For the vast majority of people, it does not make sense to spend $80+ when good rings can be had for for 30-40 bucks.
I don't agree with WardenWolf about the rings. They're an essential part of the system so if you're going to spend $1,000+ on a scope I'd suggest quality rings or a quality mount. I use AI mounts on my AIs but have used Nightforce Ti rings and now my gf has them holding a Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50mm FFP MIL/MIL on her rifle. They are very good rings as are Seekins rings (I have four or five sets of those).
taliv and farmerboy78 gave you good advice re the scope. I would do some research on scopes that track well since this is crucial for long range shooting. I have a couple of the lower end Vortex Viper PST models and my gf will be doing a box test this week so I'm looking forward to the results. My other "tactical" scopes include two Premier Reticles, a Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50mm F1 and too many Leupold Mark 4s. I'd love to own one of the high end Vortex RAZOR HD GEN II models.
taliv and farmerboy78 gave you good advice re the scope. I would do some research on scopes that track well since this is crucial for long range shooting. I have a couple of the lower end Vortex Viper PST models and my gf will be doing a box test this week so I'm looking forward to the results. My other "tactical" scopes include two Premier Reticles, a Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50mm F1 and too many Leupold Mark 4s. I'd love to own one of the high end Vortex RAZOR HD GEN II models.
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I've seen a rifle or 2 where the owner spent around 3k for rifle and scope, got some good ammo, and picked up imported child labor produced rings as an afterthought from wally world, and couldn't figure out why his rifle shot poorly. Replaced with good rings, and everything tightened up. If you are throwing a tasco 4x on a rusty 22 to pop rats at 50 yards at the dump, you can get away with it. If you want to do precision work at longer distances with a good rifle, you generally get what you pay for (assuming the shooter has good fundamentals). Very few shortcuts you can get away with in that game.
I've never heard of a 12x55x56 scope and if it does exist it would be specified as a 12-55x56 scope which means that the magnification is variable from 12 to 55 power with an objective lens that is 56mm in diameter, the numbers don't describe focal length, they are magnification and objective diameter so I'm not sure how exactly all of you guys are able provide an opinion on something that doesn't exist.
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I have to disagree on the rings. I have mounted Burris, NightForce, Badger Ordinance, American Rifle Company, Spuhr etc. I find that Spuhr is the best, hands down my favorite. Low profile, so they don't block the view on anything. Scope leveling system built in. 6 mil of taper built in (on the set I just mounted), plus the ISMS system is really nice if you plan to run attachments. If I wasn't going to run Spuhr, then I would run ARC rings, which I have a set of and they are nice as well. Single screw for adjustment, and hold really well. I have never had a Spuhr or ARC mount come loose, or slip a scope. With thousands of rounds through them.
As far as scopes go. I am a fan of March Scopes. Crystal Clear in low light. Crystal Clear at max magnification. No tunneling. Massive zoom ratio. 1-8, 1-10, 3-24, 5-40, and if you dwell in SFP 8-80 power. 3 - 24 is great for 308, AR10/A15 platforms.
As far as scopes go. I am a fan of March Scopes. Crystal Clear in low light. Crystal Clear at max magnification. No tunneling. Massive zoom ratio. 1-8, 1-10, 3-24, 5-40, and if you dwell in SFP 8-80 power. 3 - 24 is great for 308, AR10/A15 platforms.
Wow! For $400, they better be good.
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spuhrs are nice, but they're not really worth the $$$ for most people. I don't think they hold a scope any better than other quality rings like seekins or badger or talley, etc. they do have some nice features though, and since I shoot with NV and use a silencerco radius, the ability to attach stuff to them is worth the extra money.
they have a cool scope leveling feature and a built in bubble level, but I think it's a mistake for most people to use that.
they have a cool scope leveling feature and a built in bubble level, but I think it's a mistake for most people to use that.
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