Looked at the New Ruger American II YUCK!

[luv2safari]

They took a pretty nice rifle to carry and made it nearly impossible to carry under the magazine.

The new magazine sticks out like a sore thumb, and the mag-release is even worse. They're not designed for where and how we hunt where I am.

 

[LoonWulf]

They took a pretty nice rifle to carry and made it nearly impossible to carry under the magazine.

The new magazine sticks out like a sore thumb, and the mag-release is even worse. They're not designed for where and how we hunt where I am.

Aics mags kinda force that and the shooting public demands aics or stanag lol.....and mini mags.....
The rotaries could also be problematic (in other peoples experiences, ive never had an issue I didnt induce).

My ffl buddy just got one, ill see if hell let me take it apart and tinker with it, but from the pictures it dosent LOOK like they changed the mag well design. If not can always convert to rotary as long as the cartridge you choose is compatible.


What i really dislike on them is the curved recoil pad.....odd thing to be bothered by i know.

 

[luv2safari]

Loon,

Look at any seasoned blue & walnut hunting rifle and the heaviest wear you see is in the floor plate bluing. With all the industry appealing to the tacti-cool shooters, they've sure screwed up what could be ergonomic rifles for hard carry.

I'm all for servicing every segment of the shooting sports. That includes people who carry rifles hard, the balance point being under the magazine usually. It appears that Ruger decided that this design was somewhat popular, and it would cost money to re-design their problematic rotary magazine.

As for me, I'm going to grumble and snivel about it.

 

[LoonWulf]

As for me, I'm going to grumble and snivel about it.

I hear ya, i really like the gen1s, especially the early gen1s which were a bit nicer than the later ones (IME).

While ive owned and am ok with the aics mag versions (Rugers little 3 rounder is about as short as you can get) they arnt quite as nice in hand, and i have big hands, as the round body rotaries.

They are a little more, but you might like the CVA Cascade. My dad just got one, and its over all a nicer rifle (IMO). We went out to shoot it today, and before we started shooting i walked up into a pu'u to see if there were any sheep home. Carrying it under the mag was comfortable and smooth, nothing poking out on that one

 

[Show Me]

My cost effective ranch x39 has a magazine that sticks down . But it's cost effective.

 

[Show Me]

Aics mags kinda force that and the shooting public demands aics or stanag lol.....and mini mags.....
The rotaries could also be problematic (in other peoples experiences, ive never had an issue I didnt induce).

My ffl buddy just got one, ill see if hell let me take it apart and tinker with it, but from the pictures it dosent LOOK like they changed the mag well design. If not can always convert to rotary as long as the cartridge you choose is compatible.


What i really dislike on them is the curved recoil pad.....odd thing to be bothered by i know.

Not odd. Looks like they hired a French designer from. France

 

[Pat Riot]

Not odd. Looks like they hired a French designer from. France

As opposed to a French designer from somewhere else?

 

[Pat Riot]

This one looks like one of those European apartment buildings.

Ruger American® Rifle Generation II Predator Bolt-Action Rifle Model 46930

ruger.com

Perhaps it’s just me but that cheek riser looks pretty low.

I like Ruger firearms and the company, but their affinity for adding confusion with their product naming is pretty darned annoying. I see no reason to tag this rifle with the name “American”. Perhaps it’s because names are trademarked and it costs money to use a different name, but I find it annoying.

 

[Show Me]

As opposed to a French designer from somewhere else?

That's as Frenchy as you can get

 

[horsemen61]

Yeah I agree with y’all it’s ugly all the way around

 

[courtgreene]

This one looks like one of those European apartment buildings.
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Ruger American® Rifle Generation II Predator Bolt-Action Rifle Model 46930

ruger.com

Perhaps it’s just me but that cheek riser looks pretty low.

I like Ruger firearms and the company, but their affinity for adding confusion with their product naming is pretty darned annoying. I see no reason to tag this rifle with the name “American”. Perhaps it’s because names are trademarked and it costs money to use a different name, but I find it annoying.

I assume it's because the action/triggers are the same across generations, but that is nothing more than an assumption.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

I like my gen 1 RAR'S. Tan one is a 7.62x39 . Black one is a 17HMR.

 

[Walkalong]

I'm all for servicing every segment of the shooting sports. That includes people who carry rifles hard, the balance point being under the magazine usually

Yep, they should try to make both

 

[Varminterror]

I like Ruger firearms and the company, but their affinity for adding confusion with their product naming is pretty darned annoying. I see no reason to tag this rifle with the name “American”. Perhaps it’s because names are trademarked and it costs money to use a different name, but I find it annoying.

It's the same barreled action, with a different stock and a new safety. No different than Savage offering the 12 VLP-DBM vs. the 110 Elite Precision vs. 112 Magnum Target and 116 Bear Hunter and 12 Benchrest (which is actually a different action than the others, but shares the same name), or Remington offering a 700 ADL, Sendero, and SPS, or Tikka offering the T3X Lite vs. T3X Tac-A1... Glock has been slightly tweaking the grip frames for their models now for 5 Generations, labeling all of them as Gen 2, 3, 4, & 5...

And frankly, it's more honest than the Howa 1500 vs. the Weatherby Vanguard, which are the same barreled actions with different labeling....

Ruger changed the action on the M77 and called it the M77 MkII. Instead of issuing a MkIII, they changed ONLY the stock and trigger and called it an M77 Hawkeye. Ruger updated the Blackhawk and they dubbed it the New Model Blackhawk. They updated the Vaquero and named it the New Vaquero. Ruger has updated the Standard and have dubbed it Mark II, III, and now IV.

I can say, the Ruger American Gen 2 is a hell of a lot more similar to the original (Gen1) American) than the 2016 F-150 I have to the 1991 F-150 I had, but Ford had the audacity to give them the exact same name...

Ruger just made an update to the American stock and safety, so they call it the American Gen 2 - it's the same action, why wouldn't it just be a Gen2?

 

[Laphroaig]

They took a pretty nice rifle to carry and made it nearly impossible to carry under the magazine.

Aics mags kinda force that and the shooting public demands aics or stanag lol.....and mini mags.....

Firearms design is moving on from the traditional hunting rifles that we grew up with. New hunters are fewer every year and places where you can freely roam the countryside are decreasing even faster. If you want to sell guns you got to give the public what they think they need.

I agree, the extended mags make carrying a rifle pretty uncomfortable unless it's slung over your shoulder. I used my dad's M88 Winchester last deer season and the lever was a pain.

I will say though, my Gen 1 American Predator 6.5G is a shooter. For the money, it would be hard to beat accuracy wise and I've gotten a lot of enjoyment shooting it from the bench. In that regard, engineering trumps old world craftsmanship.

 

[doubleh]

This one looks like one of those European apartment buildings.
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Ruger American® Rifle Generation II Predator Bolt-Action Rifle Model 46930

ruger.com

Perhaps it’s just me but that cheek riser looks pretty low.

I like Ruger firearms and the company, but their affinity for adding confusion with their product naming is pretty darned annoying. I see no reason to tag this rifle with the name “American”. Perhaps it’s because names are trademarked and it costs money to use a different name, but I find it annoying.

That is one butt ugly piece of machinery to my eyes. Of course I am old and behind the times so no one cares about my opinion. If I was in the market for a new hunting rifle it wouldn't be a Ruger. I am not knocking Ruger as a company but I have never had an interest in any of their centerfire rifles. I am rather fond of most of their single action revolvers and 1911's though

 

[jmr40]

I can say, the Ruger American Gen 2 is a hell of a lot more similar to the original (Gen1) American) than the 2016 F-150 I have to the 1991 F-150 I had, but Ford had the audacity to give them the exact same name...

Technically 1987-1991 F150's are considered Gen 8 trucks. 2015-2020 F150's are gen 13.

It took me a while to warm up to DBM bolt rifles. But IMO the benefits outweigh the negatives, and it has almost nothing to do with mag capacity nor being able to reload faster. Although that is a small part of the appeal. It's easier and cheaper to build an accurate reliable rifle using a DBM. You can get equal accuracy and reliability from traditional designs, but it takes more time and money to do it. I value performance over aesthetics.

I gave up on blue and walnut on bolt rifles in 1983 when I bought my 1st Brown Precision stock that I put on my Remington 700. I never looked back and haven't hunted with a wood/blue bolt rifle in over 40 years. I still have some lever guns with walnut and nice bluing if I feel the need to.

Even though I made the switch to synthetic stocks 40 years ago some were blue, some SS, but most used either a floorplate or blind magazine. It did take me a while to get used to the protrusion of the magazine, but it's not a deal breaker. On longer, heavier rifles I just keep my hand in the front of the magazine, often gripping the front edge of the magazine. On lightweight carbine's I usually just hold them with my right hand on the grip if carrying one handed.

 

[MEHavey]

Is it rugged?
Is it simple?
Is it light?
Is it carriable? (with the smaller magazine)
Is the trigger any good?
Does it fit the shooter?
Does it take sights./scopes easily?
Is the cost reasonable?
Is it reliable?
... and is it accurate?

Other than that....

 

[Lo-Profile]

I bought a first Gen American Ranch in 300 blackout and really like it.
When I went to buy a 22" Gen 2 in .223 it really was bad, might as well be a cheese grater for a bolt.
Bought a Savage 110 Trail Hunter instead, nice smooth bolt and accurate with a hogue overmold stock

 

[luv2safari]

Firearms design is moving on from the traditional hunting rifles that we grew up with. New hunters are fewer every year and places where you can freely roam the countryside are decreasing even faster. If you want to sell guns you got to give the public what they think they need.

I agree, the extended mags make carrying a rifle pretty uncomfortable unless it's slung over your shoulder. I used my dad's M88 Winchester last deer season and the lever was a pain.

I will say though, my Gen 1 American Predator 6.5G is a shooter. For the money, it would be hard to beat accuracy wise and I've gotten a lot of enjoyment shooting it from the bench. In that regard, engineering trumps old world craftsmanship.

Full agreement on the first generation American Predator punching higher than it's weight class. I have one in 22-250 that is amazingly accurate and is a joy to carry. Ruger can sell their new morphadite to the new shooters, and the best of luck to Ruger, an American Gun Company I'll always respect. I got a Ruger Standard for $37.50 back in the day and wish I hadn't traded it off years ago.

 

[luv2safari]

Not odd. Looks like they hired a French designer from. France

He obviously used a French Curve.

 

[Walkalong]

That is one butt ugly piece of machinery to my eyes.

Kind of is, isn't it, but it's tacticool, which is selling rifles.

 

[luv2safari]

I gave up on blue and walnut on bolt rifles in 1983 when I bought my 1st Brown Precision stock that I put on my Remington 700. I never looked back and haven't hunted with a wood/blue bolt rifle in over 40 years. I still have some lever guns with walnut and nice bluing if I feel the need to.

Even though I made the switch to synthetic stocks 40 years ago some were blue, some SS, but most used either a floorplate or blind magazine. It did take me a while to get used to the protrusion of the magazine, but it's not a deal breaker. On longer, heavier rifles I just keep my hand in the front of the magazine, often gripping the front edge of the magazine. On lightweight carbine's I usually just hold them with my right hand on the grip if carrying one handed.

Mine have the balance point at the floor plate area and carry well...horizontal. Much of the terrain where I hunt is so rough and vertical that an easy horizontal balance point is advantageous. We mostly still-hunt and are constantly moving a little and watching a little, all day long, so using the sling isn't wise. I love the esthetics of a well crafted firearm, so walnut and blue steel are my first choice.

But, my recent purchases are a Vanguard 6.5-300Wby, two Mossberg Patriots...a 243 and a 300 Win Mag, a Ruger gen 1 American Predator 22-250, a Kimber Hunter 6.5 Creedmoor, and a beautiful traditional walnut & blue Win XTR FW from the '80's. That's 5-1 synthetic to walnut.

THAT being said, I LOVE Brown Precision stocks! My well-used and very light weight FN custom 30-06 in a Pound'r stock is probably my favorite hunting rifle. I kept it as light as possible with a 3-9 Loopy VariX II in vintage Weaver low rings, and I have aluminum bottom metal.

 

[Steve S.]

I would think about purchasing a rifle that looked like that but it just doesn’t go with my red high heels.

 

[dirtman]

I gotta admit.... i love my Ruger American 22 mag. gen #1.... It is just very accurate and that is what i want in any gun I choose to buy... I could complain about a few things, but if i keep the bolt face clean, this gun goes bang everytime and shoots spot on at 100 yards....