Looking for a 22 for the truck......

[horsemen61]

which ever you like better I have owned both and for me its the 10 -22 for sure and all the aftermarket parts sure doesn't hurt its appeal to me.

 

[heeler]

I still dont believe I could load my Marlin 60 faster than the Ruger.
Cee Zee, I do not live in a state that requires ammo to be locked away from the firearm in another part of the vehicle.
By that legal standard maybe you can load the thing faster but every rifle I have owned that has a detachable magazine,the magazine remains loaded so it's a very fast effort to just place it in the firearm and work the bolt or charging lever.
But at the end of the day most of this speed of loading is really pretty pointless.

 

[mac66]

I am a big fan of the 10/22 but my truck gun is a Marlin 795

check this series of articles out

http://www.nylonrifles.com/wp/2011/09/marlin-795-inexpensive-training-plinking-and-survival-rifle/

 

[heeler]

That's a good read Mac.
I particularly liked the stock storage set up as well as keeping a handful of those Super Colibri's in a magazine for just those right kind of moments.
Never tried those rounds because of the fear of getting them stuck in my barrel.

 

[Mr. D]

Cee Zee, ok that makes sense.

Heeler, IMHO, the speed thing is not as pointless as you might think. I guess it depends on what the truck gun is used for. Around here, it would be used mostly for dispatching varmints. An extra 20 seconds to load up could easily mean missing a chance at that pesky ground hog or ferel cat.

~D

 

[heeler]

You make a good point Mr. D.
If speeds is what counts then I want a rifle with a detachable magazine in which the magazine is pre-loaded to be ready to slap in said rifle.
All perfectly legal in Texas.

 

[Cee Zee]

If I lived in a state where the allowed us to carry loaded rifles or just loaded mags I would probably think it was best to go with a rifle that takes detachable mags too. I would carry my 795 instead of my 60 if I lived in a state like Kentucky where you can carry a loaded rifle. The reason being of course that you're right about the extra seconds sometimes being the difference in a dead varmint and a varmint that got away.

By that legal standard maybe you can load the thing faster but every rifle I have owned that has a detachable magazine,the magazine remains loaded...

Wow I'd like to have some of those mags. How is they stay loaded without you having to load them?

Trust me it is true that the situation in Ohio makes it much better to carry a 60 over a 10/22. Just across the river in Kentucky it's different. But the law here says you can't carry a loaded long gun in a vehicle and that includes long guns with loaded mags where you can slap a mag in within a few seconds. That's exactly what they went out of their way to prevent. And it clearly takes longer to load a box mag than it does a tube mag. So where I live the 60 is the logical rifle to carry if you want a semi-auto rimfire. There's no "maybe if" to it friend. That's just the way it is.

BTW the way I get around not being able to carry a long gun loaded is to carry a handgun that shoots like a long gun. I have a S&W 629 with a 8.5" barrel that will reach way out there and smack things around.

 

[Mr. D]

If it were legal, I would prefer to carry a loaded Model 60 with empty chamber. That would be handiest and fastest of all, and I don't see how it would be a safety issue.

~D

 

[Cee Zee]

The only thing about carrying a 60 loaded is that you can carry extra mags for other rifles and there's no doubt they can be loaded in a rifle faster. But there aren't a lot of situations where a person really needs a rimfire that shoots 50 rounds in a couple of minutes I guess. But I could see some situations where more rounds would be good. I lived on a long gravel road when I grew up way off the pavement. There were no school buses on my road so we walked in from the end of the road to the house. Now suppose I lived there and had kids about to come home from school in an hour or so and I find that some jerk has dropped off a mother doberman and her 6 starving but nearly full grown pups on the road. It may take more than 15 rounds to get that job taken care of. Well now of course a person would have to call the sheriff and just wait for the kids in a vehicle because it's illegal to shoot feral dogs even if they are starving and on their last leg. But in some states a person could probably still take care of that problem himself. Feral pups are going to try to get away if they see you shooting the rest of their "pack". In that case I would want as many rounds available as I could get just because I might miss. I really haven't missed killing a dog more than twice in my life and both times it was because the dog turned it's head at the exact time I fired. But anyone can miss. I might have stupidly bought a box of Remington ThunderDuds or something.

 

[MCgunner]

I use a Ruger 10/22 with aftermarket synthetic stock and a Tasco Red Dot Sight. I like the detachable mag for quick reloads (if ever needed).

I have several of the 10 rounders. I keep one loaded with stingers, two loaded with CCI solids, carry the spare, like to shoot turtles on the tank, might need 20 rounds when they get active. The gun actually shoots both well. First .22 I've ever owned that would group stingers well, weird, but I'm not complaining. I much prefer the rotary mags to the tube fed, as I explained before, also makes unloading easy and safe. I'm not sure I'd need a "quick reload", though. I mean, unless I was getting attacked by a band of killer rabbits or somethin'. Remember Jimmy Carter's rabbit attack? Hey, it could happen.

 

[heeler]

We are getting kind of circular here Cee Zee.
Okay,if it makes things better for you,you probably could,time wise load the tube fed rifle a tad faster than the detachable magazine if both started dead dry.
Not sure about myself because these kind of exercises are not so important too me and have never even tried it.
But I always keep a detachable magazine pre loaded and so for me,since I am not running some kind hand/speed race or worry about the law,I find it faster and more efficient.
At the end of the day I still like my model 60 and when I finally get around to shooting my new 10/22,I am sure I will like it too.

 

[viking499]

Problem solved. 10/22 it is. Has a tactical stock that is not going to stay. Will get rid of it and get another stock.

 

[tc54]

i have kept the same ruger 10/22 in my farm truck (24/7) since 1996. it's never let me down. i'd go with the ruger were i you. i've owned one marlin 60 in the last 40 years. it did ok, but i never bought another.

 

[Cee Zee]

But I always keep a detachable magazine pre loaded and so for me,since I am not running some kind hand/speed race or worry about the law

LOL you don't worry about the law??? OK friend. Send us a post from jail if they let you. LOL Have you looked around at the political climate? If you get caught driving with a loaded rifle mag in Columbus Ohio you're going to be in pretty serious trouble friend. Really. In a lot of the state the LEO's probably wouldn't mind but I don't think we're supposed to encourage illegal acts on this board. But in Columbus or Cleveland they will throw the book at you. They have made it very clear they are seriously anti-gun in those cities. And the law is against you.

Look I don't want to argue with you about what you carry. I said what I said and I'm not going to change what I think over some chippy language. I'm trying to help you here. Don't take the risk you're talking about because you could lose your gun rights forever in some states by such actions.

 

[kBob]

Had a "HMMMM....." moment out in the shop a bit ago. For those that live in a state that does allow loaded magazines but not loaded guns.....

Get a spare inner magazine tube with spring and follower and all.

Dissassemble it.

Drill a small hole say six inches up the tune from the follower end through both sides large enoough for say a tiny finishing nail.

Drill a small hole through both sides of that inner tube about an inch up, ninety degrees out from the upper hole you drilled, and thread a bobby pin through that hole.

Reassemble the magazine.

Use a .22 cleaning rod to push the follower back into the tube past the "upper" hole and thread a tiny finishing nail through th hole. Drop five rounds of .22LR into the mag facing so they will feed properly. Install the bobbie pin at the lower hole. Remove the tiny finishing nail.

Store the loaded magazine in a PVC tube next to the rifle. When needed, Insert that first inch of inner tube into the rifles maga zine tube then pull out the bobbie pin and insert the mag as usual.

Not as fast as a box mag, but faster than partially removing tube and usng the loading slot or using a seperate speed loader for those first critical shots.

Rube Goldberg aint got nuthin on me!

-kBob

 

[kBob]

MAC66,

On your little Marlin....

If you want to dry fire, why not just dissassemble one mag as if for cleaning and use the mag boddy without a spring and follower to activate the bolt hold open?

I assume that like yea old Marlin mags these do come apart.....

I have been playing with the idea of making a tiny pocket (Maybe just over laping ellastic) to go on the rear end of my GI web sling near the back end with the steel J hook in which to store a small Swiss Army Knife or just a small flat screw driver like the dremel tool wrench or a doctored up coin so as to always have a way to break down my rifle.

How about skateboarder tape on the fore stock and pistol grip for gripping surfaces when hot and sweaty? Wouldn't like my face on it for a good cheek weld though.....

-kBob

 

[heeler]

Cee Zee I made it very clear that I live in Texas and this ammo seperate from the firearm does not apply here,thus my statement about not worrying about the law IN THIS CONTEXT and I think you already knew that when you you made your remarks in post #64 but it's only to obvious too me(and others I am sure) that your just the kind of guy that just cant stand to have his framed out mindset doubted or clouded in any way.
Alright,fine by me.
Again, I own both rifles and both are good rifles and this has been proven time and again by the sheer millions of people that own both of these rifles.
There is no sense in all of this guy.
Last post with you on this and if you just have to have the last word I will graciously except it.
LOL.

 

[MCgunner]

Trust me it is true that the situation in Ohio makes it much better to carry a 60 over a 10/22. Just across the river in Kentucky it's different. But the law here says you can't carry a loaded long gun in a vehicle and that includes long guns with loaded mags where you can slap a mag in within a few seconds. That's exactly what they went out of their way to prevent

In the free republic of Texas (some day again, I hope,,, /political comment) we can walk down main street with a loaded rifle baring city ordinances. There is this "brandishing" thing, though, that one must tiptoe around. Out here in the countryside, however, no limits on what or how I carry a rifle. In the truck, concealed, even in the car between the seats, I've carried all manor over the years. My SKS folder is my favorite car gun, compact and the stock deploys quickly if needed. Don't often take it along unless I'm driving a ways, though. Don't want it stolen when I'm out of the car.

If I lived in Ohio, I'd be looking to move south. Arizona, now THERE is a gun state if ever there was! We're still working on open carry, and the new bill will only include CHL holders as legal to open carry. I have a CHL, want the law to pass, but we ain't Arizona.

Sounds like Ohio SUX.

 

[MCgunner]

Problem solved. 10/22 it is. Has a tactical stock that is not going to stay. Will get rid of it and get another stock.

Great! I really like the Hogue stock, but there are many to choose from. I think I gave around 75 bucks for the stock or near abouts. I bought my stainless 10/22 at a gun show 8 or 9 years back for 150 bucks. It had the wood stock on it and the barrel band and I already knew I wanted the Hogue for it when I was 10/22 shopping.

 

[Roadking Rider]

10/22 is a great little rifle, I wouldn'd sell mine unless the offer was to good to be true. Yesterday I decided to change things up a bit and add a Henry Lever action HOO1 to my 22 collection. Now I have all three styles of 22 rifles covered. with the semi auto 10/22, Marlin bolt action DL81 and now the lever action Henry. I'll hope to be able to shoot it sometime next week. Looks like a fun little rifle.

 

[Roadking Rider]

Forgot the pic.

 

[Sam1911]

Again, when they come to take your guns away, thank Bill Ruger because without his work they would never have been able to do it.

Ok, while I think most folks know what you were TRYING to over-state, this statement holds no water at all.

If it wasn't for the little bit o' quisling-ing Bill Ruger did way back then, the gun grabbers wouldn't be able to pass gun control laws and restrict our rights? I know it doesn't make any sense, but it IS what you said.

Anyway, Bill Ruger is dead, and so is that entire line of complaint seeing as his company has for a long time now been run by better folks.

So let's drop that as a deciding factor between the two.

...

Moving on to actual relevancies, as a "truck gun" I'd completely agree with the posters here who point out the ease of loading and unloading. If you've got all the time in the world, it doesn't much matter. If you're in a state that allows you to drive around with a loaded rifle, it doesn't much matter. But if you have to have it unloaded when traveling and you might need to stop and quickly load, a detachable-magazine rifle is really very much the hands-down winner. Heck, a break-action single shot would be faster to load and get off one shot than a Marlin 60.

But if you can have it loaded already, the Marlin has entirely the opposite benefit -- i.e. no magazine to keep track of and/or lose. If you've got the rifle itself, and you remembered to load it sometime in the past, you're good to go. No looking on the dash, under the seat, in the console, etc. for where that mag got to.

 

[MCgunner]

10/22 is a great little rifle, I wouldn'd sell mine unless the offer was to good to be true. Yesterday I decided to change things up a bit and add a Henry Lever action HOO1 to my 22 collection. Now I have all three styles of 22 rifles covered. with the semi auto 10/22, Marlin bolt action DL81 and now the lever action Henry. I'll hope to be able to shoot it sometime next week. Looks like a fun little rifle.

That's a sharp lookin' rifle. Has the lines of my 92 Rossi. I want one, but they're kinda pricy. Sooner or later, I'll probably get one. .22s are the one rifle I seem to need no reason for, just because.

Moving on to actual relevancies, as a "truck gun" I'd completely agree with the posters here who point out the ease of loading and unloading. If you've got all the time in the world, it doesn't much matter. If you're in a state that allows you to drive around with a loaded rifle, it doesn't much matter. But if you have to have it unloaded when traveling and you might need to stop and quickly load, a detachable-magazine rifle is really very much the hands-down winner. Heck, a break-action single shot would be faster to load and get off one shot than a Marlin 60.

But if you can have it loaded already, the Marlin has entirely the opposite benefit -- i.e. no magazine to keep track of and/or lose. If you've got the rifle itself, and you remembered to load it sometime in the past, you're good to go. No looking on the dash, under the seat, in the console, etc. for where that mag got to.

Well, see, keeping the gun loaded isn't a legal issue in Texas. I do prefer no round in the chamber and striker/hammer unloaded for transport, though, and that's far easier to accomplish with the Ruger, just drop the mag and unload, reinsert the mag. I just did it, went for a walk in the woods to check the hog trap. Never know when you'll run across a rabbit back there or a squirrel that looks tasty.

Now, my Rossi 92 with .38 105 grain loads loaded is in the closet. I just keep it loaded as it's just too much a hassle to load and unload, but I do like the rifle for woods walking, just carries so danged handy. That's why I like Roadking's Henry, that and I just think classic leaver guns look classy. Probably my affection for Chuck Connors TV shows. But, my .357 loaded with light .38s does a pretty fair job of mimicking a .22. One can unload the Henry a bit more safely than a Marlin 60, though. The hammer down on half cock, especially if it has a hammer block, when you are messing with the magazine follower is a good thing far as I'm concerned.

All this stated for a "truck" gun, I still like the Marlin 60s, accurate for what they cost and great plinkers and squirrel guns. I just think the Ruger has the edge in this application for the reasons I've stated. I hit the pawn shops on occasion hoping to find something like a M60 on the rack cheap and may wind up with another someday. They are just ordinary plinkers, nothing special, except they do work rather well. they are usually so cheap at pawn shops that pocket change will buy one. Nothing wrong with being cheap AND a good rifle. I really don't do the aftermarket thing, anyway, so that never really concerned me. I am glad Volquartsen had the hammer/sear improvement for my 597M, though. THAT really did need fixing. It had about a 20 lb trigger when I got it, now it's about 3...NICE!

 

[Cee Zee]

I think we'll have to disagree on the role Bill Ruger played Sam. But it's not the subject of this thread anyway.

The thing is about carrying a loaded mag here in Ohio is that you can't legally do that either. That's been my point. If you could carry a loaded mag which is possible in many states then clearly loading it into a rifle is faster.

 

[Mike J]

Congrats on your purchase Viking 499. I hope you get a lot of good service out of it.

CeeZee Bill Ruger has been dead a long time & as far as I know none of his family are involved in running Ruger today. That being the case I don't really get the point in holding a grudge against the company for what was done in 1994.

I don't have any experience with the 10/22. I have 2 different versions of the Marlin model 60. They are accurate neat little guns. I did have a jamming problem in the Glenfield model 75C (basically a Marlin model 60 with a 19" barrel & if I recall correctly a 13 round tubular magazine. I have that was my Fathers. I replaced the plastic buffer & it straightened up & has been fine ever since. Of course that rifle was made in 1985 & I replaced it sometime around 2010 & have no idea how many rounds of what had been run through that rifle when I got it. I know Dad got it used some time in the late 80's.