Looking for a 30 06

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salt&battery said:
aren't the ruger 77's close to the Winchester and I think do not have a slot in the locking lug for the ejector?
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Yeppers, good catch! I'm not sure about the newer Ruger 77s, but the older ones like mine and Winchester 70s (with pre-64 style actions) do look similar. They're not though. They both have the long, claw type Mauser extractors, but the ejector on the Ruger is a button in the end of the bolt, while as you said, the Winchester's ejector pops up through a slot in the bolt (not a slot in a locking lug by the way) as you extract the cartridge or case. I don't have my Ruger 77 here to look at, but I don't think it's a controlled round feed like a pre-64 style Winchester 70 either.
On the other hand, my Montana Rifle Company rifle has an action almost identical to a pre-64 style Winchester 70 action. It's just a little beefier.
 
.308 Norma said:
Yeppers, good catch! I'm not sure about the newer Ruger 77s, but the older ones like mine and Winchester 70s (with pre-64 style actions) do look similar. They're not though. They both have the long, claw type Mauser extractors, but the ejector on the Ruger is a button in the end of the bolt, while as you said, the Winchester's ejector pops up through a slot in the bolt (not a slot in a locking lug by the way) as you extract the cartridge or case. I don't have my Ruger 77 here to look at, but I don't think it's a controlled round feed like a pre-64 style Winchester 70 either.
On the other hand, my Montana Rifle Company rifle has an action almost identical to a pre-64 style Winchester 70 action. It's just a little beefier.
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well I mean the newer 77 hawkeye. the older ones with the tang safety had a claw extractor but a plunger ejector
 
mrbladedude said:
I'm going to be buying a 30 06 rifle this summer to be used for hunting deer and elk in Oregon. I'm overwhelmed by the options available. Some say Remington 700, others Winchester model 70, and then there's everything in between.
My budget is $1000 for the rifle and then about another $700 for the scope. So $1700 total package out the door.

Any suggestions as to why one rifle is better than the other?
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You can buy a Tikka T3 Hunter on a close out from Eurooptics in PA for $498. Tikka has replaced the T3 with the T3X. The T3 Forest is $598. They are both the Walnut blue variant, the Forest has the Monte Carlo cheek pad. This is a $200 savings from their normal price. About $250 lower than MSRP. Very nice rifles. Put a synthetic stock on it so you don't break it on a mountain hunt when you fall off the horse. That leaves you plenty of room for a very nice scope. And they have those too. Fast and reasonable shipping.I do agree with cdb1 about the ejection port on the T3. It's is more of an issue when your feeding by hand when shooting on the bench. You can buy a 5 or 10 round mag. That might be easier than feeding individually at the bench. Also CDNN sports is in Texas and they are a liquidator. They have a smoking deal on a Hawkeye with a Hogue stock in 06 for $449 or the Ruger synthetic for $499. That's more than a $300 savings. Both are websites so you do have shipping cost to an FFL,
 
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I like to see what I can find at the local pawn shops and used racks at gun stores. I solved my 3006 dilemma when I found a cherry 1988 Remington 700 bdl last summer. It came in the original box. I seriously doubt that the rifle was shot after it was purchased. The rifle has not a scratch on it and it looks so good I'm not sure I want to be the one to drag it through the woods deer hunting. It does put 165 sgk's into sub MOA groups very consistently. The two position safety is not great. Point is 3006 is a common round and you should be able to find one well within your price range and pick up a fair amount of ammo. Whether it is a model 70, Weatherby, Remington or Browning I would hold some and see what you like. Should be able to get a lot of gun in that price point.
 
Before this last summer I would have highly recommended a current production Winchester 70. I ordered a brand new .308 Win 70 Extreme Weather in June, but after trying several bullets and loads that worked well in other .308's, I could not get it to consistently group under 2 inches. I sent this first rifle back, Browning/Winchester tested it, confirmed that it did not meet their specifications and sent me a replacement. I tested several more loads and factory rounds in the second rifle, and found that it performed no better than the first. Unwilling to spend another chunk of money trying to find a load for a third rifle, I requested and received a refund. I'd owned 4 other FN Winchester 70's including an extreme weather before, and they were all excellent, but they were all made in SC before assembly moved to Portugal. I'm sure I'll give the new M70's another try, but for now I'm a little gun shy. That said, after getting my refund I bought a Kimber Montana, which is having feeding issues right out of the box.... my Winchesters never had feeding problems, and the customer service is excellent, so there is that.

As of right now, I would probably suggest a stainless Tikka or a Browning Xbolt. I've had 4 Tikkas and they have all exhibited excellent accuracy and flawless feeding. The only thing that the Tikka is really missing from my perspective is a 3 position safety, but given that the safety on a Tikka locks the bolt, I'm still comfortable hunting with them. I have only had one Xbolt, but the one that I have is lightweight, reliable and accurate with a variety of loads. The Xbolt also has several features that I like in a hunting rifle, such as a short both lift, 3 position safety, ergonomic stock design, and a quality DBM design. We'll see if the Kimber Montana gets sorted out, but If I had my money back again at this point, I'd just buy another Xbolt or Tikka, there is something to be said for a no frills rifle that just does what it's supposed to without a lot of tinkering.

As for scopes, I had a Zeiss Conquest go bad on me, but the replacement I received has been going strong for a few years, and looks great, the Zeiss scopes are a bit heavy. The latest scope I've bought is a Leupold VX3i 2.5-8 x 36 (for the M70 EW), I really like this scope, clarity is good and it is lightweight to boot.
 
my new pre-64 style winchester model 70 Crf rifles, these were made post 2000 and are made as nice as my pre-64 .270 made in 1951. i also have a new pre-64 style model 70 CRF made in SC and assembled there thats just as nice. eastbank.
 

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Mrbladedude;

I've got some .30-0's, both Winchester & Tikka. But I'm a lefty & Winchester is no longer making rifles that are ergonomically correct for me. Therefore the last ought-6 I bought was the Tikka. It's just a garden variety T3 light with no frills except I bit the bullet & got an extra magazine. However, after I had a load worked up I can say it's very accurate. I have what's now an older Leupold tactical 3-9X mil-dot scope on it mounted in the Tikka rings that came with the gun when I bought it. One knock on the scope is that although the windage adjustments are the standard 1/4" at 100 yards, the verticals are 1/2" at 100 yards. When I asked Leupold about that I was rather snottily told that "tactical" considerations concerning rapid vertical adjustment far outweighed my civilian concerns. I sure do like Vortex now.

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i,m not to put off with 1/2" adjustments, some scopes have 1" adjustments vertical. if you had bought a regular 3x9 leupold it would have had 1/4" adjustments. the only difference is at longer ranges it would take less adjustments to get on target with the 1/2" adjustment. 1/4" at 400yards= 1", 1/2" at 400 yards=2" if you load was 20" low at 400 yards you would need 20 clicks elevation with 1/4 value, and you would only need 10 clicks elevation at 400 yards with 1/2" value. 1/4" clicks would give you a finer zero if you needed it tho. eastbank.
 
mrbladedude said:
I'm going to be buying a 30 06 rifle this summer to be used for hunting deer and elk in Oregon. I'm overwhelmed by the options available. Some say Remington 700, others Winchester model 70, and then there's everything in between.
My budget is $1000 for the rifle and then about another $700 for the scope. So $1700 total package out the door.

Any suggestions as to why one rifle is better than the other?
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For that price, I would go with an M70 sporter no question. A very smooth action, good trigger, the best safety in the industry, controlled round feed (which contrary to the name really aids extraction), blade style ejector, and a good barrel. Winchester's stock bedding is generally acceptable too.

Be aware that every M700 trigger ever manufactured has been recalled for some sort of issue with firing sans a trigger pull, resulting in several deaths. Personally I want nothing to do with them and were I to get one I would install a Timney trigger before firing it.

For a scope I really like the leupold CDS side parallax options in your price range.
 
Seems like I'm in the minority but I too prefer the Sporter over the Feathrweight. I've never owned a M70 and my next rifle purchase will be a Sporter in .270. I'm saving up to buy a M70 and then have my 700 ADL .270 rebarreled to 6MM-06. Got a ways to go before I have the guitas.

I got the 700 in 1972 when I was 13 so it definitely has the Walker trigger. In the early 80's I had a gunsmith adjust the trigger down to 2.75 pounds. Never had any issues with it but I am a little leery. When I have it rebarreled I will put in a Timney.
 
TC Venture, Weatherby Vanguard II, TC Dimension, several Savages, Sako Finnlight, Bergara, Tikka T3, Remington 700, Winchester 70...oh my spoilt for choice. Gun for money, I'm with the TC Venture Weathershield. I have one in 270. Exceptional value. I have a TC Dimension in 30-06 that I took my elk last Fall with. F-U-G-L-Y. Very accurate and innovative rifle. TC Weathershield and spend the rest on glass.
 
wonder why hardly any one brought up the excellent ruger 77 hawkeye. very close to a winchester 70 which is kinda expensive
 
salt&battery said:
wonder why hardly any one brought up the excellent ruger 77 hawkeye. very close to a winchester 70 which is kinda expensive
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I'd take either one and when I see them, the prices (given that you're looking at comparable configurations) are about the same, seems all the decent crf run about the same price around here.
 
horsey300 said:
I'd take either one and when I see them, the prices (given that you're looking at comparable configurations) are about the same, seems all the decent crf run about the same price around here.
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on CDNN sports I see synthetic 30-06 77 hawkeyes for $499 and one with a brown hogue stock for $449. the only wooden stock rifles they have are $599 but are big magnums. if you keep your eye on them one will pop up that you might want
 
salt&battery said:
on CDNN sports I see synthetic 30-06 77 hawkeyes for $499 and one with a brown hogue stock for $449. the only wooden stock rifles they have are $599 but are big magnums. if you keep your eye on them one will pop up that you might want
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WHAT!?!?!?!? thank you for the heads up!!!!!
 
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