Quantcast

Looking for a decently priced accurate 9mm

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Waterboy3313, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

    So to convert your "featureless" AR to PCC, you just need to change out the mag follower/spring with 9mm kit and replace buffer with heavier buffer to go with the 9mm upper.

    Life is good. :D:D

    Have you considered using CMMG 22LR conversion bolt in your AR to shoot 22LR? I only shoot CP 22LR in my ARs for training drills/plinking but they sure are fun plinkers - https://www.primaryarms.com/22BA6AE

    22LR still cheap at below $20/500 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...15-20-500-shipped.853059/page-3#post-11359991

    It was from Friday afternoon, March 29 through midnight April 5th of 2019 for 7 days. And it was not just 30 rounds but ANY CAPACITY magazine - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/happy-days-in-ca.849757/page-4#post-11102503

    That's why judge Benitez not only ruled but ruled WITH JUDGEMENT so his ruling went into effect immediately after ruling on Friday afternoon on 3/29/19 - http://michellawyers.com/wp-content...-2019-03-29-Order-Granting-Plaintiffs-MSJ.pdf

    "IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that:

    1. Defendant Attorney General Xavier Becerra, and his officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons in active concert or participation with him, and those duly sworn state peace officers and federal law enforcement officers who gain knowledge of this injunction order, or know of the existence of this injunction order, are enjoined from enforcing California Penal Code section 32310.

    2. Defendant Becerra shall provide, by personal service or otherwise, actual notice of this order to all law enforcement personnel who are responsible for implementing or enforcing the enjoined statute. The government shall file a declaration establishing proof of such notice. DATED: March 29, 2019"​

    And CA law enforcement had to enforce the ruling immediately and to this day, CA DOES NOT enforce the POSSESSION of larger than 10 round capacity magazines; only new sales, importation and manufacture.
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2020
    Waterboy3313 likes this.
  2. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    300
    Location:
    Redding CA
    Matter of fact I do have a cmmg 22 conversion kit. My son just turned 11 and I built him an AR for Christmas when he was 9 using the cmmg kit. He's probably ran close to 2500 rounds through it and it has been very reliable. Being that it's a rim fire I have a pistol grip, collapsible stock and original style mag release. I just swapped barrels to a heavy 24 inch stainless barrel since he shoots from a bi pod.

    It's surprisingly pretty accurate.
     
    LiveLife likes this.
  3. Dudedog
    • Contributing Member

    Dudedog Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2013
    Messages:
    5,117
    Location:
    Southern CA
    Wateboy3313,
    How do you like the thordsen custom gen 3 stock? (I am in CA as well and don't like the fins....)
     
    Last edited: Jan 18, 2020
  4. Ruger 15151

    Ruger 15151 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2016
    Messages:
    278
    Location:
    Pacific Southwest
    It was much better than the fin but it didn't feel comfortable for me. I had to rotate my wrist and point my elbow away from my body to shoulder my riffle. Although it exactly what I have to do when shouldering a traditional riffle, I didn't like having to do it with my ARs so I made them fixed magazines. I built them using the Hogue Freedom Fighter Pin and Juggernaut rear take down pin. I can load easily through the ejection port with a Mean quick loader. If I want to drop the mag instead, I just push the spring loaded Juggernaut rear take down pin (which catches the upper and only lets it separate about an 1/8'' so the Hogue pin can allow the mag release to be depressed), drop the mag, and push the upper and lower back together again. Its been a great setup.

    However, all that being said, I may have to consider giving the Thordsen Stock another try if it lets me use high capacity magazines on both my AR15 223/556 and 9MM conversions.

    Thanks LIveLife for throwing a wrench in the gears! :):):)
     
    Waterboy3313 likes this.
  5. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    300
    Location:
    Redding CA
    In the my opinion the fins are outright dangerous. The fin is not only uncomfortable but I don't feel it's safe because 1 the ability to keep a firm grip on the rifle suffers not being able to wrap your thumb around it. 2 you you can not manipulate the safety with out removing one of your hands that supports the rifle. 3 if you have ever had any kind of feeding issue or jam it is very hard to hold the rifle by the fin grip and operate the charging handle especially while trying to lock the bolt back. Try this and see where you barrel ends up pointing. Probably not in a safe direction.

    I like the thordsen custom stock over the fin grip for the reasons I just mentioned. It looks weird but it helps that you have a way to get firm grip on it. Honestly I my preference is to get an are maglock and a quick pin to keep the pistol grip that was designed to be used in the first place.
     
  6. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Glad to help out fellow THR member stay CA compliant. :D I sure would not want you going to jail for a felony violation.

    At least, thanks to judge Benitez, we can enjoy our "any capacity" magazines. :thumbup:
     
    Waterboy3313 likes this.
  7. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    300
    Location:
    Redding CA
    I don't do a lot of rifle shooting anymore and when I am shooting I am trying to improve my skills pistol or rifle. I see a lot of people yanking the trigger as fast as they can not hitting much. They usually show up in an over crowded car, dump 200 rounds at some cans and are gone in 15 minutes.

    For me to shoot 150-200 rounds through various pistols usually. It's a couple of hours maybe 3. I don't actually mind using my 10 round mags. I don't even have a pistol that holds 10 rounds. I don't like being told I can't have anything more unless I'm using it in featureless AR. For me 30+ round magazine is going to make me work harder at the loading bench.
     
  8. Trashyshoots

    Trashyshoots Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2019
    Messages:
    119
    I would suggest in this order
    1911
    Beretta 92
    Cz75
    Ar9 pistol (not being a troll but are those legal in California? Iirc they had some weird clause on the magazine being forward of the grip)
     
  9. FL-NC

    FL-NC Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2016
    Messages:
    5,106
    Location:
    Fl panhandle
    I prefer Glocks. The S&W M&P are excellent pistols too (you know this- you already have one) but the full size ones cost a bit more than Glocks. Another fine pistol that can be had for cheaper then either the Glock or S&W is the Ruger SR9. My dad has one, I shot it and I really liked it. That one set me back $300 used.
     
  10. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Check this fixed mag pistol option out that allows the "features" (Must use 10 round magazines) - https://www.80percentarms.com/products/freedom-button-kit-with-instructions/

    "30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:

    (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."​



    Not on CA roster. Only S&W M&Ps on the roster are 9mm/40S&W Shields.

    Not on CA roster.
     
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2020
  11. Trashyshoots

    Trashyshoots Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2019
    Messages:
    119
    Ahh, ok I must be thinking of new york or New Jersey.
     
  12. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    300
    Location:
    Redding CA
    After this weekend shooting I made the decision to buy or build a 9mm upper and use my last stripped lower. I will be using a 16 inch barrel and but have not decided yet if it will be featureless or fixed mag.

    Maybe there is something I'm not getting about the AR pistol. To build a pistol in CA do you have to have a lower that is registered as a pistol? Or is a pistol brace that can not be shouldered what makes it legally not a short barreled rifle? If you don't happen to have an old AR pistol that you registered as an assault weapon before the deadline you must use a maglock and 10 round or less magazine no matter what features it has or doesn't have?
     
  13. LNK

    LNK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2010
    Messages:
    445
    Location:
    E TN
    This is exactly the reason we uprooted and moved out of MA. The roster is just an excuse to limit freedom. When a gun virtually identical to one that is on a roster is unobtainium! Sorry for the derail. I hope you can continue to enjoy the shooting you enjoy, in a way you enjoy. Makes me remember when I lived behind the iron curtain. I keep my 10 round magazines I have for my guns as range magazines, but never carry them anymore. Good luck with the fight.

     
  14. Jordan Louie

    Jordan Louie Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2019
    Messages:
    11
    If you want a pistol that's accurate and good for CCW you got CZ P-10c, Canik TP9 or TPSF(can be unreliable sometimes though), S&W M&P2.0 all these are under 450$.
    If you don't care about weight, get a full-size steel perhaps surplus cz75, sig p220, Beretta 92fs they will recoil less and maybe be more fun at the range.

    Go try some of the guns out, see which triggers, sight pictures you like best and which guns fit your hands well.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2020
  15. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Not on CA roster but CZ 75 P-01 is on the roster and just beyond OP's budget

    Not on CA roster

    Good recommendations but popular used pistols are scare in OP's town (My retired sister/BIL live there but they are moving out of state this year, finally fed up with CA)

    Used guns currently listed on CA roster can be shipped to CA and that's an option but will need to add shipping charges and typical $50 FFL transfer fee.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2020
  16. Jordan Louie

    Jordan Louie Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2019
    Messages:
    11
    Wow I live in Canada didn't think there was, anywhere in the states that would have shittier gun laws than we do.
     
  17. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Like I said, don't become like CA, IL, NY (They are actually worse as CA at least get to use larger than 10 round capacity magazines thanks to judge Benitez ruling)

    Vote people to ensure our gun rights. Spread the word to everyone as much as possible.

    You already seen what happened in our states and vote out anti gun law makers and vote in pro gun law makers to stop erosion of gun rights/2A.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2020
  18. Jordan Louie

    Jordan Louie Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2019
    Messages:
    11
    Our laws might become even worse, gov't is pushing for a federal ban of virtually all semi automatic rifles even though mag's are already restricted to 5 and they've talked widespread municipal bans of handguns.
     
  19. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Pistol is defined as firearm with barrel length shorter than 16" without a stock (firearm with shorter than 16" barrel with a stock is Short Barrel Rifle (SBR), an NFA firearm).


    Pistol stabilizing brace (PSB) is meant to be used with pistols to help stabilize and ATF recently stated PSB can now be shouldered - https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/atf-clarifies-ruling-pistol-stabilizing-braces/


    But for CA, pistols with shorter than 16" barrel (and with PSB) must also meet requirements for AW - https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=30515.&lawCode=PEN

    "30515. (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:​

    (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."

    So a fixed magazine pistol with 10 round capacity does not have restriction of features.

    And if building 9mm fixed magazine AR pistol, use MagPul mags with 10 round kits or CA compliant mags - https://www.meanarms.com/products/detail/endomag-9mm-restrictive-states


    And the reason why AR pistol must be made with fixed magazine is because detachable magazine outside of pistol grip makes it an AW.

    “assault weapon” also means ... (4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has ... (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip."​
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2020
  20. Labguy47

    Labguy47 Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2018
    Messages:
    851
    One of the 9mm revolvers perhaps? Or one of the old Ruger like P89?
     
  21. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    Not on CA roster so used P89 cannot be shipped to CA and finding a used P89 in OP's town maybe challenging.


    OP is looking for full size semi-auto pistol
     
  22. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    300
    Location:
    Redding CA
    Livelife thanks for all the info you have posted especially the CA legal stuff. I've been looking at 9mm AR stuff the last few days. I can buy a Bear Creek arsenal upper for about $235 9mm buffer and spring for $20ish + the Endo mag conversation kit for the magazine. Not a bad price for a 9mm pc. Or I could spend a little over $500 for a Ruger PC 9. If I could find a used pc9 I'm sure the price would drop about $100.
     
  23. LiveLife

    LiveLife Member

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2010
    Messages:
    21,601
    Location:
    Northwest Coast
    You are very welcome.

    Glad to help out fellow THR member.

    And let's hope we have a 9th Circuit win on magazine ban now that after last appointment, we may actually have tilted the 9th court pro gun depending on which judges end up on the panel. :thumbup:

    And we'll keep pursuing our lawsuits on ammunition sales, AW ban, etc. etc. :D
     
  24. Waterboy3313

    Waterboy3313 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2019
    Messages:
    300
    Location:
    Redding CA
    How much longer do you think it will take? I expected a year at the soonest and that is probably pushing it.
     
  25. F1

    F1 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2005
    Messages:
    183

    OP - Careful with your language! Remember anything you say can be used against you, or this whole place for that matter.
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice