Looking for a Handgun for Work

[monotonous_iterancy]

I have gotten a job as an armed security guard for an active industrial facility in a mostly abandoned section of an American city. The post is behind a fence with razor wire.

Now, about a decade ago, in my late teens, I was very much into guns, and considered myself knowledgeable. I own several rifles and a shotgun, and also had access to a .38 special snub-nose until it was given away. However, while I am embarrassed to say it, I haven’t fired a gun in years - about a decade. All of my guns have been sitting in a safe smothered in Rig Grease on the outside and coated with Break Free Collector in the bore.

This is due to a mixture of geographic and financial concerns. The ammo shortage and price spike after Sandy Hook caused me to turn my attention away, and in the time since I moved from the country to the suburbs, and have never been to a formal range in my life with range officers and a need to pay to enter. I find the idea a little intimidating.

However, this new job has me turning my attention back to guns. But, my knowledge has largely faded, and I am also unfamiliar with new gun releases that have happened since then. There are the standard Glock 19’s, for instance, but if a newer gun fits me best, I want to carry it.

So, I would like your advice on what handgun might work for me, within the limitations I have been given. I am able to carry either a double action .38 special revolver, or a semi-auto in 9mm or 40 S&W.

The regulations for my jurisdiction say that the revolver barrel must be between 4 and 5 inches. A semi-auto must be double action only.

A manager at my company also told me that the semi-auto cannot have an exposed hammer, and it must have a trigger safety - so 1911s are out of the question, for instance.

Given these limitations, what would you all recommend? I plan to train heavily with whatever I carry until its operation is a matter of muscle memory.

I feel some attachment to revolvers because, of the relatively little handgun experience I have, I have the most experience with a revolver. I also fear limp-wristing a semi-auto in a high stress situation in the (seemingly unlikely event) that I should ever have to fire my weapon - this is based on my experience as a teenager of about 15 shooting a Taurus .45 semi-auto. I fired a Glock a few years later and did fine.

However, the idea of having more rounds on hand appeals to me, particularly since I am limited to .38 special and more powerful revolver rounds are out of the question.

Your advice would be appreciated.

 

[1KPerDay]

Make sure they actually mean DOUBLE ACTION ONLY for the semi auto. For example, do they consider the Glock trigger double action only? Technically it isn’t, but in some people’s view it might qualify.

 

[LocoGringo]

I'm unsure what is meant by "double action only" for a semiauto, but no exposed hammer. Usually, a "double action" semiauto has a hammer and it is usually exposed like a Sig 226. Do they include "safe action" pistols as allowable? A "safe action" pistol would include a Glock and most, if not all, of the polymer pistols like Smith & Wesson, Sig, etc. What do other people at this job carry?

If you have to train on your own dime, I'd get something in 9mm for the simple reasons of recoil mitigation/control and cost of ammo being the least expensive of all of the options. With the amount of training you describe, it's unlikely you'll limp wrist a 9mm to cause a malfunction.

However, if you feel most comfortable with a revolver, go that way. It will be more expensive to shoot than a 9mm and it is much slower on a reload than a semiauto (unless you're Jerry Miculek), but go with what works for you.

 

[defjon]

Go with what you're comfortable with right now.

Look for a smith and Wesson model 64 or 10. If it can be a 357 loaded with 38s, maybe a gp100 or 686. Security guard at work carried a taurus, I've had mixed experiences so if it were me I'd avoid one as a duty weapon.

You can practice with some speed loaders, and loaded with plus p plenty of oomph.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

I'm unsure what is meant by "double action only" for a semiauto, but no exposed hammer. Usually, a "double action" semiauto has a hammer and it is usually exposed like a Sig 226. Do they include "safe action" pistols as allowable? A "safe action" pistol would include a Glock and most, if not all, of the polymer pistols like Smith & Wesson, Sig, etc. What do other people at this job carry?

If you have to train on your own dime, I'd get something in 9mm for the simple reasons of recoil mitigation/control and cost of ammo being the least expensive of all of the options. With the amount of training you describe, it's unlikely you'll limp wrist a 9mm to cause a malfunction.

However, if you feel most comfortable with a revolver, go that way. It will be more expensive to shoot than a 9mm and it is much slower on a reload than a semiauto (unless you're Jerry Miculek), but go with what works for you.

I don’t know what it means either. I know the regulations say double action only on the semi-auto. And the guy in the office at work told me - I think - either he was imprecise with his terminology or I have forgotten some words - that the semi cannot have an exposed hammer. I have a vague memory of him saying “no external striker”.

I know that someone trained with speed-loaders can reload a revolver in five seconds. I’ve never extensively fired and reloaded a semi-auto handgun, but I presume that reloading is even faster?

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

Go with what you're comfortable with right now.

Look for a smith and Wesson model 64 or 10. If it can be a 357 loaded with 38s, maybe a gp100 or 686. Security guard at work carried a taurus, I've had mixed experiences so if it were me I'd avoid one as a duty weapon.

You can practice with some speed loaders, and loaded with plus p plenty of oomph.

I was told that companies with unreliable reputations like Taurus wouldn’t be approved.

 

[LocoGringo]

I don’t know what it means either. I know the regulations say double action only on the semi-auto. And the guy in the office at work told me - I think - either he was imprecise with his terminology or I have forgotten some words - that the semi cannot have an exposed hammer. I have a vague memory of him saying “no external striker”.

I know that someone trained with speed-loaders can reload a revolver in five seconds. I’ve never extensively fired and reloaded a semi-auto handgun, but I presume that reloading is even faster?

Ok, without precise terminology like "safe action" or "striker fired" (which both refer to a Glock type action), I don't know what would be allowed. You should find out from the guy in the office exactly what terminology he means and ask for a couple of examples that would be allowed. Also, ask what the other people who work there carry.

5 seconds is a long time for reloading. A semiauto can be reloaded in less than 2 if well practiced and properly equipped.

Also, consider capacity. A typical revolver is 6 rounds whereas many 9mm pistols are in the neighborhood of 15 or more before having to reload. A duty sized revolver (S&W 686 or Ruger GP100) aren't cheap either. They will actually be more expensive than the Glock 17 or 19.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

Ok, without precise terminology like "safe action" or "striker fired" (which both refer to a Glock type action), I don't know what would be allowed. You should find out from the guy in the office exactly what terminology he means and ask for a couple of examples that would be allowed. Also, ask what the other people who work there carry.

5 seconds is a long time for reloading. A semiauto can be reloaded in less than 2 if well practiced and properly equipped.

Also, consider capacity. A typical revolver is 6 rounds whereas many 9mm pistols are in the neighborhood of 15 or more before having to reload. A duty sized revolver (S&W 686 or Ruger GP100) aren't cheap either. They will actually be more expensive than the Glock 17 or 19.

My company does reimburse for the weapon purchase. If I were to go with a revolver - and I may not do so - then I would probably get something like a S&W Model 10 or Model 64. They seem reasonably priced, are reliable, and have been proven in many real-life situations.

 

[defjon]

Look, everyone is going to say go with a 9mm.

The way I see it is you've already got the job, you're starting now. Not a lot of lead time to prepare and get comfortable.

You said, "I feel some attachment to revolvers because, of the relatively little handgun experience I have, I have the most experience with a revolver. I also fear limp-wristing a semi-auto in a high stress situation..."

I would go with what you have the most experience with. That will matter. It's unlikely you'll ever fire a shot in anger. Revolvers- point, fire, six for sure. Old trite adage, maybe. But I read just recently of a 3 man home invasion, the practiced shooters glock 19 jams after round one. He goes to a pcc(it also jammed I think?).

Things happen. If your company is like mine, they will sponsor ammo for qualifications. Usually you can stay after and shoot a bit, so maybe some ammo will be covered.

It's unlikely you'll need the gun. If you do, it's unlikely you'll need more than six. If you do, would another 6 have mattered ? Who is to say the auto doesn't jam after round 1 and now you gotta tap rack, bang, and pray.

A model 10 got it done for what, like 80 years? And in a lot meaner situations than industrial security in an abandoned area!

I'd do that job with a k frame and 2 speed loaders. I might pack a 642 or other snub nosed for back up. Share ammo, no worries about being outgunned.

 

[Atavar]

I would suggest hanging out in the locker room and see what the other guys carry.

 

[jstert]

“use your own money to train” quickly says 9mm to me, but i am a revolver guy.

what are the “rules of engagement” for using deadly force per your state law and company policy? what is the threat environment? am i a solo roving guard?

being ignorant of the above answers, off the cuff, me personally, i would choose my used, ex-police, s&w 10-5 38sp 4” revolver, and load it with simple lrn or ball ammo. it’s a good shooter. i’m already practiced with revolvers and speedloaders. it’s the lowest common denominator choice that is clearly ok with company policy. a revolver covers my assumed role here of a watchman, i.e. notice a problem, call 911, hunker down, witness events transpire, and only defend myself with it if confronted, not defend fort apache.

i really like the idea of a 38sp airweight snubbie backup, “ny reload,” which was suggested above by defjon. what is company policy here?

frankly, the unhelpfulness of the employer in unclearly & improperly defining the acceptable sidearm and training standards, and failing to help with sidearm training costs, would cause me to doubt company support if i had to actually use it. “oh actually your 9mm pistol is out of spec.” “huh, you only fired a 50 round box once for training purposes?”

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

Look, everyone is going to say go with a 9mm.

The way I see it is you've already got the job, you're starting now. Not a lot of lead time to prepare and get comfortable.

You said, "I feel some attachment to revolvers because, of the relatively little handgun experience I have, I have the most experience with a revolver. I also fear limp-wristing a semi-auto in a high stress situation..."

I would go with what you have the most experience with. That will matter. It's unlikely you'll ever fire a shot in anger. Revolvers- point, fire, six for sure. Old trite adage, maybe. But I read just recently of a 3 man home invasion, the practiced shooters glock 19 jams after round one. He goes to a pcc(it also jammed I think?).

Things happen. If your company is like mine, they will sponsor ammo for qualifications. Usually you can stay after and shoot a bit, so maybe some ammo will be covered.

It's unlikely you'll need the gun. If you do, it's unlikely you'll need more than six. If you do, would another 6 have mattered ? Who is to say the auto doesn't jam after round 1 and now you gotta tap rack, bang, and pray.

A model 10 got it done for what, like 80 years? And in a lot meaner situations than industrial security in an abandoned area!

I'd do that job with a k frame and 2 speed loaders. I might pack a 642 or other snub nosed for back up. Share ammo, no worries about being outgunned.

I have some time before I have to get a weapon. They are sending me unarmed to feel out the job before they get me a weapons qualification.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

“use your own money to train” quickly says 9mm to me, but i am a revolver guy.

what are the “rules of engagement” for using deadly force per your state law and company policy? what is the threat environment? am i a solo roving guard?

being ignorant of the above answers, off the cuff, me personally, i would choose my used, ex-police, s&w 10-5 38sp 4” revolver. it’s a good shooter. i’m already practiced with revolvers and speedloaders. it’s the lowest common denominator choice that is clearly ok with company policy. my assumed role here is that of a watchman, not guard, i.e. notice a problem, call 911, hunker down, witness events transpire, and only defend myself with it if confronted, not defend fort apache.

frankly, the unhelpfulness of the employer in unclearly & improperly defining the acceptable sidearm and training level, and failing to help with sidearm training costs, would cause me to doubt company support if i had to actually use it. “oh actually your 9mm pistol is out of spec.” “huh, you only fired a 50 round box for training purposes?”

I am not solo. There will be a few others on post. The gun is not to protect property, but solely to protect our persons. I will also be carrying mace. This is said to be a quiet post, although there is a homeless encampment outside the company property and the fence line.

Now, the police-given regulations for security officers in my jurisdiction are a 38 special between 4-5 inch barrel, or a double action only 9mm or 40 caliber semi-auto. That’s all the law states. As far as what I was told at work, I don’t know if what he said was additional company policy or not.

 

[jstert]

I am not solo. There will be a few others on post. The gun is not to protect property, but solely to protect our persons. I will also be carrying mace.

thanks, this situation prescribes a tried and true, familiar, s&w m10, to me anyway. i recently got a well-worn, armorer-maintained, shot-little, carried-alot, ex-ny police 10-5 for $300. i added hogue grips. not a looker, but a great shooter.

i would buy some zeta-6 speedloaders, and six dummy rounds for practice.

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[Old Dog]

4" S&W 686 or a Glock 17.

I will also be carrying mace.

Is that what they told you? "MACE" is a brand, and its original formulary is CS (a chemical form of tear gas). Currently, almost all law enforcement agencies and security firms issue OC (pepper spray). Sounds to me as though you are not getting very specific (or accurate) information. At this point, I'd be concerned about taking a job with a company that's providing such a paucity of information and guidance.

 

[Zerodefect]

Clearly that spec is written for revolver and striker fired pistols. "DA only semiauto" includes Glocks, M&P, etc. "No hammer exposed" means striker fired pistols for sure.

So my recommendation is a Glock 22.5.

Dawson medium basepads.
Surefire x300.
Warren Tac plain black rear sight.
Dawson front fiberoptic sight.
Dawson Ice magwell.

 

[The Night Rider]

If you live in a city that requires security guards to be licensed you need to talk to your licensing authority and find out what their equipment requirements are for an armed security guard to carry.

As an example I live and worked in Colorado Springs.

I was not allowed to carry an SAO gun. No 1911s, no BHP, no SAA.

The barrel had to be between 4 and 6 inches and I was limited to .38 caliber, .357 Magnum, 9mm or .40 S&W. In Denver you can carry .45 ACP but not .40 S&W.

In addition my employer had a list of approved manufacturers and I could only purchase a weapon on that list.

When they first got armed contracts my employer had four or five guards that went out and bought Highpoints. That was the reason that my employer instituted that list and Highpoints were not on it.

I only worked for three companies, all three of them limited me to a 15 round capacity and two reloads regardless of State law.

I never worked for any company that allowed me to carry any chemical spray except what they issued me.

In Colorado Springs I am not allowed to carry impact weapons.

So, I highly recommend that you get those questions answered in writing before you start looking for a gun.

I will also tell you that working as a security guard my gun got a lot more damage from me slipping on the ice and falling on it or banging it against the car door getting in and out of the car or rubbing against the center console all night or going through narrow doorways, than it ever got worn from use.

Having said that, I would highly recommend you go by yourself a used Glock 19 (assuming it's on your approved list) that holds no sentimental value for you and beat the crap out of that

 

[The Night Rider]

This is general knowledge based on my experience in one city.

1. You need to get DAO clarified exactly in writing.
ETA: what I mean by that specifically is you need to find out from your licensing Authority exactly what the requirements for your duty handgun are. If they use the terminology DAO then you need to find out from them exactly what they mean by that

2. You need to not step outside the written parameters that you've been given regardless of what the other guards may or may not be doing.

3. This isn't written anywhere but it's a general rule of thumb in the security industry that if your gun comes out of your holster for any reason your employer is going to disavow your actions completely and fire you on the spot. So you want to keep that in the back of your mind every second you're on the clock.

I worked as a security guard in Colorado Springs for 15 years and never fired a shot and I only ever had to use my OC spray once.

I'm not sure exactly how to say this but working as a security guard I did security guard things. Access Control, Physical Security checks (gates, windows and doors),Visual deterrent patrols and safety checks. By safety checks I mean some of the places that I had to check only had one client employee working the night shift and I had to go into the building and visit visually ensure that he was awake and that he hadn't had a heart attack or I had to go to two different places and check the temperature in all their freezers and refrigerators to make sure that they were Within whatever limits the client had set.

The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think I ever ran into a "real" criminal but I did run into a lot of crazy homeless people

And almost across the board the first words out of their mouth as soon as I began an interaction with them was "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot" are you going to do shoot me?" I had a couple of them dare me to.

I already said I never drew my gun but I had to pull out my OC spray several times and one thing I noticed is that nobody believed that I would shoot them (probably because I didn't have a gun in my hand) but every single one of them believed I would spray them.

 

[Varminterror]

I'm a revolver guy, and there's no way in hell I could be convinced to carry one for any kind of job for LE or Security.

There are a few traps folks will fall into:

Go with whatever you are most comfortable with.

This is really bad advice. If you're really comfortable in a baseball cap and have never worn a motorcycle helmet, would you wear a baseball cap to protect your head while riding a motorcycle? No. Because a baseball cap is the wrong tool for the task.

Revolvers are more reliable.

Folks have been saying this for a long time because a lot of folks used it as an excuse to not adopt autoloaders into LE agencies 30-40yrs ago, but it really isn't true. We've realized that revolvers still have moving parts and still have failures, and we realize that use and abuse of a revolver, as little as a little fouling under the extractor star, can and will jam a revolver.

Revolvers are more proven than autoloading pistols

Autoloading pistols have been utilized in offensive and defensive scenarios for over a century. We've had plenty of documented performance of autoloading pistols in LE and civilian defense contexts, especially for the last 30-40 years as well...

Revolvers are easier to operate

You will be carrying this weapon as part of your job with the intent of potentially preserving your own life or that of another. You do not have the luxury of NOT being intimately familiar and sufficiently practiced with operating this firearm.

Like I said - I'm a revolver guy, and there's nothing about this job which suggests to me I would be better off with a revolver.

Glock 17/19/22/24, S&W M&P, Sig P320, Springfield XD, HK USP or VP... take your pick, these are solid duty pistols with long records of success.

 

[The Night Rider]

This post has absolutely nothing to do with Firearms it's just general security advice.

1. Thoroughly familiarize yourself with your written post orders. If your site has a pass down log read every pass down in it. Once you've read them all check it nightly to make sure there are no updates. If possible read the other shift's Daily Activity Reports for whatever day you're working. It will give you an idea of what happened during the shifts prior to yours.

2. Before you do anything else double check your site equipment. If you can inspect it with the person you're relieving. If you have a vehicle do a complete walk around before that vehicle moves. I've had coworkers wreck the company vehicle and then not tell me about it at shift change and try to pass it off on me. The only thing that saved me was that I contacted the field supervisor and told him that the vehicle had major damage to the front end within 5 minutes of shift change.

If you have a radio make sure that the battery is fully charged. If you have a company cell phone same thing.

If you have site keys inventory and account for them before the person you're relieving goes home.

3. Always bring a good flashlight with you to work. If your company provides a site phone get a charger that's compatible with it. Always bring a charger that's compatible with your phone to work. Never put anything work related on your personal phone. Always bring a notebook and several extra pens with you to work. If you didn't document it it never happened. Learn how to write good reports.

4. Anytime you're required to contact the police you get the name of the police officer you spoke to and the reference number for the case. If a police officer comes on your site for any official reason get his business card or his name and identification number. This doesn't happen often but if a cop wants to sit in your parking lot and fill out report you let him. It makes your job easier. I made a point of never hanging out and chit-chatting with cops on my site. If they wanted to park outside the front gate I would bother them enough to let them know I was there and that they were welcome to stay as long as they liked and that the restroom facilities were available if they needed them and then I'd go on about my business.

5. Check everything you're supposed to check, every time you're supposed to check it. Always assume that the shift before you didn't do their checks. When you do your first rounds You check everything that you're supposed to check like nobody's checked it since the last time you were there.

I'm going to say this again learn how to write good reports. I can't put a how-to in a THR post but there are multiple resources available online. Never put an opinion in a report, only facts. On this date, at this time I, security officer Fife observed the following condition, incident activity. Keep a copy for yourself. If you ever have to go to court your daily activity log will be read back to you.

Last thing. Never ever ever ever forget that you are not the police

 

[Zerodefect]

This is general knowledge based on my experience in one city.

1. You need to get DAO clarified exactly in writing.

DAO with no hammer = Glock n copies.

Do you know of a DAO with a hammer? Why does it need clarified? Sounds pretty exact to me.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

Having said that, I would highly recommend you go by yourself a used Glock 19 (assuming it's on your approved list) that holds no sentimental value for you and beat the crap out of that

Glock 17/19/22/24, S&W M&P, Sig P320, Springfield XD, HK USP or VP... take your pick, these are solid duty pistols with long records of success.

I just went to a gun shop and felt some guns in my hand. The Glock 19 Gen 3, Steyr M9 A2, and the Walther PDP all felt quite nice and naturally balanced.

The employee at the store said that security in my area are in fact limited to revolvers that are strictly .38 special, so no 357s loaded with .38.

Employees at two separate gun stores also said that an external safety, like a thumb safety, is not permitted, which is also what my employer told me. However, written security guard regulations put out by the police in my area don’t mention this, so I wonder where this comes from.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

This post has absolutely nothing to do with Firearms it's just general security advice.

1. Thoroughly familiarize yourself with your written post orders. If your site has a pass down log read every pass down in it. Once you've read them all check it nightly to make sure there are no updates. If possible read the other shift's Daily Activity Reports for whatever day you're working. It will give you an idea of what happened during the shifts prior to yours.

2. Before you do anything else double check your site equipment. If you can inspect it with the person you're relieving. If you have a vehicle do a complete walk around before that vehicle moves. I've had coworkers wreck the company vehicle and then not tell me about it at shift change and try to pass it off on me. The only thing that saved me was that I contacted the field supervisor and told him that the vehicle had major damage to the front end within 5 minutes of shift change.

If you have a radio make sure that the battery is fully charged. If you have a company cell phone same thing.

If you have site keys inventory and account for them before the person you're relieving goes home.

3. Always bring a good flashlight with you to work. If your company provides a site phone get a charger that's compatible with it. Always bring a charger that's compatible with your phone to work. Never put anything work related on your personal phone. Always bring a notebook and several extra pens with you to work. If you didn't document it it never happened. Learn how to write good reports.

4. Anytime you're required to contact the police you get the name of the police officer you spoke to and the reference number for the case. If a police officer comes on your site for any official reason get his business card or his name and identification number. This doesn't happen often but if a cop wants to sit in your parking lot and fill out report you let him. It makes your job easier. I made a point of never hanging out and chit-chatting with cops on my site. If they wanted to park outside the front gate I would bother them enough to let them know I was there and that they were welcome to stay as long as they liked and that the restroom facilities were available if they needed them and then I'd go on about my business.

5. Check everything you're supposed to check, every time you're supposed to check it. Always assume that the shift before you didn't do their checks. When you do your first rounds You check everything that you're supposed to check like nobody's checked it since the last time you were there.

I'm going to say this again learn how to write good reports. I can't put a how-to in a THR post but there are multiple resources available online. Never put an opinion in a report, only facts. On this date, at this time I, security officer Fife observed the following condition, incident activity. Keep a copy for yourself. If you ever have to go to court your daily activity log will be read back to you.

Last thing. Never ever ever ever forget that you are not the police

Thanks for the advice!

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

This is general knowledge based on my experience in one city.

1. You need to get DAO clarified exactly in writing.

2. You need to not step outside the written parameters that you've been given regardless of what the other guards may or may not be doing.

3. This isn't written anywhere but it's a general rule of thumb in the security industry that if your gun comes out of your holster for any reason your employer is going to disavow your actions completely and fire you on the spot. So you want to keep that in the back of your mind every second you're on the clock.

I worked as a security guard in Colorado Springs for 15 years and never fired a shot and I only ever had to use my OC spray once.

I'm not sure exactly how to say this but working as a security guard I did security guard things. Access Control, Physical Security checks (gates, windows and doors),Visual deterrent patrols and safety checks. By safety checks I mean some of the places that I had to check only had one client employee working the night shift and I had to go into the building and visit visually ensure that he was awake and that he hadn't had a heart attack or I had to go to two different places and check the temperature in all their freezers and refrigerators to make sure that they were Within whatever limits the client had set.

The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think I ever ran into a "real" criminal but I did run into a lot of crazy homeless people

And almost across the board the first words out of their mouth as soon as I began an interaction with them was "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot" are you going to do shoot me?" I had a couple of them dare me to.

I already said I never drew my gun but I had to pull out my OC spray several times and one thing I noticed is that nobody believed that I would shoot them (probably because I didn't have a gun in my hand) but every single one of them believed I would spray them.

I greatly appreciate your advice. Interestingly, I saw in a news a few weeks ago that a security guard was involved in a lethal force incident. A patron of a convenience store was messing around, and refusing to leave or something like that, and ended up grabbing the guard’s gun. They wrestled over it, with the guard being shot in the leg, but him getting the gun back and returning fire, killing the man.

When I was discussing posts with my supervisor, I asked not to be placed at convenience stores and mentioned this story. He said, “yeah, that’s one of ours! He’s home recovering.”

I got the impression that my company was standing behind that guy and that he would be returning to work. It was a clear-cut case of self-defense.

What this story impresses upon me is the importance of retention holsters and training to keep control of one’s weapon.

 

[The Night Rider]

Do you know of a DAO with a hammer? Why does it need clarified? Sounds pretty exact to me.

There were a couple of Smith & Wesson third generation models that were Double Action Only and had a Hammer.