johnsack2001
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S&W SD Series looks good but Cali is a pain. I wish I could just up and relocate to Idaho or Vermont with out having to worry about a new job and rent and all that fun stuff.
Looking for a Low cost HD and possibly CCW Hand gun.
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johnsack2001
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Come now lets not do the Revolver vs Semi auto dance they both have their up sides.
johnsack2001
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Lol I think you missed that it is my wife who does not want a revolver otherwise I would have picked up a 686-6 Plus that was going for $272 after dros and tax. But had I brought it home well... suffice to say she is VERY adamant about it.
But on the positive side of things I have the option of the 2 following locally: A Springfield XD9 with gear kit (I already have a ccw sleeve holster that fits it) or a Rock Island 5" barrel 1911 "clone" with a 5.5 lb trigger but only one mag. Both coming in at around $700 after dros, tax, and some break in ammo (plus at least 1 spare mag for the RI)
But on the positive side of things I have the option of the 2 following locally: A Springfield XD9 with gear kit (I already have a ccw sleeve holster that fits it) or a Rock Island 5" barrel 1911 "clone" with a 5.5 lb trigger but only one mag. Both coming in at around $700 after dros, tax, and some break in ammo (plus at least 1 spare mag for the RI)
wyohome
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Without reading the whole thread, 4 ounces is a lot of weight, you give a damn about people laughing at you, and your wife will not let you buy a revolver. I would be shopping in the sport store alright, but in the department that sells balls.
Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if any of this is repetitive/already covered.
I have a Ruger SR9, and absolutely love it. I have around 3,000 rounds through it, with one malfunction (that was probably part operator error). I have no problem concealing it, and actually carry it more often than my S&W 642 and my Ruger LCP, so the SR9c should be pretty easy to carry.
I have no problems with the trigger on mine, but I hear that the SR9c trigger is even better.
Just curious, have you looked into revolvers at all? (Sorry if this opens up a whole other can of worms)
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
I have a Ruger SR9, and absolutely love it. I have around 3,000 rounds through it, with one malfunction (that was probably part operator error). I have no problem concealing it, and actually carry it more often than my S&W 642 and my Ruger LCP, so the SR9c should be pretty easy to carry.
I have no problems with the trigger on mine, but I hear that the SR9c trigger is even better.
Just curious, have you looked into revolvers at all? (Sorry if this opens up a whole other can of worms)
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
Passing up a 686 for under $300 is insane.
There are marriage counselors who can help you and your wife put the incident where you were beaten with a revolver behind you, but having a blanket ban on one specific type of object doesn't make any sense, especially when it means you're passing up deals of a lifetime on one of the best revolvers made and the alternative is paying twice as much for a Sigma or three times as much for an XD.
For the record I owned a 9VE and loved it. Not the best trigger, and the frame material didn't feel as high-quality as the material of the USP or Glocks I've owned, but it was a very good gun and the grip had a good shape to it.
There are marriage counselors who can help you and your wife put the incident where you were beaten with a revolver behind you, but having a blanket ban on one specific type of object doesn't make any sense, especially when it means you're passing up deals of a lifetime on one of the best revolvers made and the alternative is paying twice as much for a Sigma or three times as much for an XD.
For the record I owned a 9VE and loved it. Not the best trigger, and the frame material didn't feel as high-quality as the material of the USP or Glocks I've owned, but it was a very good gun and the grip had a good shape to it.
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Meh, I have gotten over the incident she hasn't. But to put it bluntly it is OUR house WE are married and all decisions are agreed on or they do not pass. But that is the nature of finding my wife to be my equal.
I have looked at a couple of cheaper HGs notably the Bersa Thunder 380 and the S&W 40VE but after putting a couple hundred rounds through them I could not think to my self "This is a handgun I could trust my life to with out hesitation"
As for getting the Ruger P97 I simply missed that deal and sure I could order most of the guns I have been looking at online and get them for a lower cost but the final point of the matter is the major places I am looking at locally allow me to take down and examine all parts of the firearm I am buying.
I have looked at a couple of cheaper HGs notably the Bersa Thunder 380 and the S&W 40VE but after putting a couple hundred rounds through them I could not think to my self "This is a handgun I could trust my life to with out hesitation"
As for getting the Ruger P97 I simply missed that deal and sure I could order most of the guns I have been looking at online and get them for a lower cost but the final point of the matter is the major places I am looking at locally allow me to take down and examine all parts of the firearm I am buying.
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That is a condescending attiude unworthy of THR.
I own and carry both semi auto pistols and revolvers, and would never presume to tell someone else that their choice of platform was incorrect, especially due to their alleged lack of knowledge or proficiency.
There are a lot of skilled and experienced shooters who opt for one or the other. Doesn't mean any of them are right or wrong.
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G26.
This coming from somebody who hated "Combat Tupperware" as a beginner, I came around and tried one and -for me- is more useful at everything.
Theres a dude around THR who was an EMT during katrina, sweat on his guns everyday no chance to clean them. Said there were two weapons he was impressed with for their rust prevention when all the others were icky ..S&W 442 and G26. Scorepoint
It works, its tough.
Whomever was praising the merits of 9mm over the others were right.
Some here are bashing OP and his manhood, this is called the highroad so lets pretend to know what that means and keep our useless negative slander to ourselves. Hell I think hes a nutjob for living in California but I don't say that for all to see do I? ... crap
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This coming from somebody who hated "Combat Tupperware" as a beginner, I came around and tried one and -for me- is more useful at everything.
Theres a dude around THR who was an EMT during katrina, sweat on his guns everyday no chance to clean them. Said there were two weapons he was impressed with for their rust prevention when all the others were icky ..S&W 442 and G26. Scorepoint
It works, its tough.
Whomever was praising the merits of 9mm over the others were right.
Some here are bashing OP and his manhood, this is called the highroad so lets pretend to know what that means and keep our useless negative slander to ourselves. Hell I think hes a nutjob for living in California but I don't say that for all to see do I? ... crap
j/k (mostly [notreally])
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Ruger P95
I absolutely love my Ruger KP95PR. It shoots great and is very comfortable in my Galco COP OWB holster for daily carry. It was around $325 in Sonoma Co.
I am shopping for a new handgun and get irritated when most internet shops wont ship to CA due to our absurd regulations and double checking every FFL every day!.
Anyway, I cannot say enough good stuff about the P95. You can check out Suron Enterprises in Santa Rosa at suronenterprises dot com. Ron will take good care of you!
I absolutely love my Ruger KP95PR. It shoots great and is very comfortable in my Galco COP OWB holster for daily carry. It was around $325 in Sonoma Co.
I am shopping for a new handgun and get irritated when most internet shops wont ship to CA due to our absurd regulations and double checking every FFL every day!.
Anyway, I cannot say enough good stuff about the P95. You can check out Suron Enterprises in Santa Rosa at suronenterprises dot com. Ron will take good care of you!
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Well Ive got it solid down between the Rock island 1911 A1 and the Springfield Armory XD9 service. $850 out the door for either of them. Includes case, 5 mags, mag holders, holster(Fobus Paddle style), and 2 boxes of 100 count ammo.
I was looking at a comparable Glock both the 17 and the 19 with the same set of things which came to $1120. I am still trying to figure out why this particular dealer has XDs at a lower cost than his Glocks.
Edit: BTW I plan to put the paperwork in on one or the other on Friday.
I was looking at a comparable Glock both the 17 and the 19 with the same set of things which came to $1120. I am still trying to figure out why this particular dealer has XDs at a lower cost than his Glocks.
Edit: BTW I plan to put the paperwork in on one or the other on Friday.
My first handgun was a RIA 5" GI, was 400$ new OTD. It stove piped a few times with fmj, the park rubbed off on the grip as well. Other than that it was nic to have an olde tyme 1911, felt right. Just wasnt the workhorse I needed it to be.
Again, G26 (or M&Pc or XDsc(m?). I'd score them probably in that order, but i'd feel fine about any of them. Handle them if you can. =)
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Howdy John, if you like to buy your ammo on day of shooting, your list pretty much whittles down to 9mm; .45 and .380 will NOT be plentiful in the next 24 months.
A used LE turn in Glock 17/19 in your best bet at less than $400. Yeah, you said "no Glocks" but that's your best option for your budget. SHoot it, live with it brotha...
A used LE turn in Glock 17/19 in your best bet at less than $400. Yeah, you said "no Glocks" but that's your best option for your budget. SHoot it, live with it brotha...
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GO FOR THE XD over the 1911!
From a person who has owned both, the XD wins vs a Colt Government XSE 1911 (1991) for out of the box reliability. Sure my Colt is reliable now after a trip back to the factory, but out of the box the XD was the winner.
With a 1911, if you want an after market part, often it has to bee fitted to your gun, there are not many "drop in" items.
I know your pain living in California -- Moving to Oregon and buying a firearm for the first time here was sooo awesome. No little handgun safety certificate card, no one a month rule, no waiting period - instant background check, Face to Face transactions are legal, I can actually get a concealed handgun license.
From a person who has owned both, the XD wins vs a Colt Government XSE 1911 (1991) for out of the box reliability. Sure my Colt is reliable now after a trip back to the factory, but out of the box the XD was the winner.
With a 1911, if you want an after market part, often it has to bee fitted to your gun, there are not many "drop in" items.
I know your pain living in California -- Moving to Oregon and buying a firearm for the first time here was sooo awesome. No little handgun safety certificate card, no one a month rule, no waiting period - instant background check, Face to Face transactions are legal, I can actually get a concealed handgun license.
johnsack2001
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@ jack LE around here don't seem to turn in their duty weapons. I know one for sure purchased theirs when they retired.
@NG I looked all through out the area that I could get to reasonably and came up with only 2 options the place I chose or the shooting range I go to either one marks up stuff due to California's mandated 20 year holding policy on all weapon sales.
Anyway I have decided to go with the SA XD9. The RI 1911 has some nice features and I may pick it up next month or some time in the near future but to get it where I would like it to be will cost a bit of money (new grips, hammer, trigger ect.) Besides Its a gun for me that I feel I can rely on for HD and its light and slim enough I can CC in even some of my tighter pants with out printing.
@NG I looked all through out the area that I could get to reasonably and came up with only 2 options the place I chose or the shooting range I go to either one marks up stuff due to California's mandated 20 year holding policy on all weapon sales.
Anyway I have decided to go with the SA XD9. The RI 1911 has some nice features and I may pick it up next month or some time in the near future but to get it where I would like it to be will cost a bit of money (new grips, hammer, trigger ect.) Besides Its a gun for me that I feel I can rely on for HD and its light and slim enough I can CC in even some of my tighter pants with out printing.
zxcvbob
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Have you looked at surplus CZ-82's? Really nice guns for about $200. I assume you'd have to buy 10-round CZ-83 magazines for it to be legal there.
snatale42
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Dude, you can get Sigma's for less than $300 brand new! I bought mine at a show for $260! As a former Sigma AND SD (now M&P) owner, try to go for the SD series. There still cheap but better triggers than the Sigmas. You need to check out budsgunshop.com great deals. Just make sure to order them with the cripple mags since your in California. Most guns have come down in price last year or so. Unless your trying to buy a tricked out 1911, there only about $150 difference from cheap ripoffs vs the real thing. Don't forget about Taurus. Outside the Sigma, If i was looking for a budget semi, that where I'd be. They look nice, cheap and lifetime warranties.
As far as the Bersa Thunder .380's buds has them now (03/09) for $275 delivered!
As far as the Bersa Thunder .380's buds has them now (03/09) for $275 delivered!
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I got the XD and the extras paid for today and bargained down the price to $726.96 out the door and he hooked me up with a new cleaning kit.
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