Looking for a new auto-loader

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As the title says I am looking for a new semi-auto shotgun. Here are my few requests, must have 3.5 chamber and reliable for 2 3/4. The cycling system doesn't concern me, so long as it does cycle. Looking under $1000.

Looked at a few really like the Winchester SX4, but I thought I would ask THR and see what really works. Thx in advance.
 
I bought the Remington marketed Baikal.

3 1/2" shells ain't no joke
3" shot very well
2 3/4" heavy field and slug were 100% reliable
I haven't shot dove or light loads. But, I didn't get it to shoot light loads.

I have been extremely happy with it and the price is fantastic. Way under $1k
 
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Under $1k:
Winchester SX4
Browning Silver
Franchi Affinity 3.5
Mossberg 935

Here are my few requests, must have 3.5 chamber and reliable for 2 3/4.
This is the kicker if you mean target 1 oz or dove loads. On each model listed above, some will cycle light loads out of the box, some will cycle them after breaking in and some will never cycle light loads. That’s asking a lot from a shotgun. If the Remington VersaMax were in production it would be the most dependable shooting light loads IMO.

I wouldn’t own an inertia semi to shoot 3.5 “ shells, they are brutal on the shoulder. Come to think of it I won’t own a gas operated 3.5” 12 gauge either, for the same reason. If I absolutely had to have 3.5” I’d get a Browning Gold 10 gauge. Felt recoil will be less than in a 12 gauge assuming good fit.

Based on my experience the Stoeger will be the least likely to cycle light loads. I’ve seen a number of 3” Stoegers have the issue so it will be worse in a 3.5” model. I’m not bashing Stoeger. I had a M2000 way back in the day that was reliable and I also have a Couger that’s never hiccuped.
 
Under $1k:
Winchester SX4
Browning Silver
Franchi Affinity 3.5
Mossberg 935


This is the kicker if you mean target 1 oz or dove loads. On each model listed above, some will cycle light loads out of the box, some will cycle them after breaking in and some will never cycle light loads. That’s asking a lot from a shotgun. If the Remington VersaMax were in production it would be the most dependable shooting light loads IMO.

I wouldn’t own an inertia semi to shoot 3.5 “ shells, they are brutal on the shoulder. Come to think of it I won’t own a gas operated 3.5” 12 gauge either, for the same reason. If I absolutely had to have 3.5” I’d get a Browning Gold 10 gauge. Felt recoil will be less than in a 12 gauge assuming good fit.

Based on my experience the Stoeger will be the least likely to cycle light loads. I’ve seen a number of 3” Stoegers have the issue so it will be worse in a 3.5” model. I’m not bashing Stoeger. I had a M2000 way back in the day that was reliable and I also have a Couger that’s never hiccuped.


Thx, that's the kind of answer I was looking for. Also, thank you to the other fella who answered, I do appreciate it.

Not sure why some folks are being snarky. If my wants/wishes can't be met, so be it. At least tell me your experiences with a certain gun and I can go from there.
 
I have a Beretta A300 Outlander and it will shoot 2 3/4 and 3", not 3.5" I read many reviews and settled on the Beretta over the Stoeger among others. I bought mine to shoot turkeys, coyotes, and coons. It is probably the most popular waterfowl shotgun. Could I ask why it "must" shoot 3.5" shells? Those guys kick like a Missouri mule, are really expensive and are not much more effective than a 3". I've killed many geese and turkeys with 2 3/4". Was shooting on a South Dakota guided goose hunt and my brother and I were shooting 2 3/4" Bismuth #4 along side guys shooting 3.5" 10 ga, yes 10 ga. We hunted just two days, but limited out way ahead of the big guns. The guide said privately, "the difference between you guys and them is you were actually hitting the geese". I use #5 pheasant loads for turkeys because that's what I have in the cabinet and I refuse to pay $2-$4 per shell, when my shells that I paid $.20 each for a few years ago work just as well. At 2 turkeys per year a box of shells lasts a long time. I do have to say though that it can take a hefty shotgun load to kill a coyote that won't come closer than 50 yds and a 3.5" boomer might be just the ticket. I believe the Beretta would be your best bet, no matter the size of the load.
 
Ok, so why is it the best? Do you have any experience with it? I didn't say I wanted the best, just wanted something that works.

I don't have any personal experience with it beyond handling them in gun shops, but I know several goose hunters who do have them, and they will function with 2 3/4" Trap loads. as well as 3 and 3 1/2" duck & goose loads. (mostly 3")
While the Benelli Super Black Eagle III is considered the best waterfowling auto, (and there is reason for that) it is an inertia gun, and very punishing with even 3" shells. (Yes, I have done that.) The gas operation of the Beretta is the most reliable of the gas autos in 3 or 3 1/2". I agree with cdb1, the Remington Versa Max would be a good substitute, if you can find one. The Sx4 has a trigger that's a bit heavy and (until it wears in) gritty, but otherwise is a decent gun. i don't know how the 3 1/2" handles lighter loads, though. The Silver Field 3 1/2" like the Gold will only go down to 1 1/8" Field loads (3 1/4 dram eq., equal to a hot Trap Handicap shell, so don't expect to be dove hunting or Trap shooting much with either Browning. The Affinty 3.5" is still an inertia gun, though with a nice pad on it to tame the recoil some. I don't know how these handle light loads either.
As for 3 1/2", I traded a 3" 870 in on a 3 1/2" 870 because I believed all the hype about it for Turkey hunting, but while punishing my shoulder at the patterning board, I noticed the patterns were not as good with 3 1/2" shells ( or 3") were as good as the patterns for the 30" Full 3" 870. I traded the 3 1/2" toward another 3" 870. Never did get a Turkey with either gun, but it wasn't because of the gun. The turkeys where I was hunting only showed themselves during deer season, and vice versa.
 
Based on my experience the Stoeger will be the least likely to cycle light loads. I’ve seen a number of 3” Stoegers have the issue so it will be worse in a 3.5” model. I’m not bashing Stoeger. I had a M2000 way back in the day that was reliable and I also have a Couger that’s never hiccuped.
Yep. Stoegers are a hit & miss proposition. Any of them can be MADE to cycle anything and then some, but it can be a moderate DIY proposition. Some are great from the factory, others aren't. Can't find the link to my M2000 "cycle everything and look presentable" Covid-lockdown restomod project thread last year but it gave me a pretty good insight what the problem areas can be and the inner workings of inertia action. And it turned out downright fantastic.

In essence, I regard Franchi Affinity and Benelli (Super) Black Eagle as 90% factory slicked-up equivalents right out of the box, with better stocks and fit & finish. They can benefit from polishing the action too, of course. The only one of my shotguns that has cycled anything and everything from 3/4oz reduced recoil loads to heaviest magnums as-is is Benelli Centro Supersport, but it's way over the $1k budget OP set.

As a long-time inertia gun aficionado I may be a bit biased but I've thought about getting a 3.5" Franchi Affinity myself, in spite of needing yet another shotgun like I'd need a hole in my head. But it's not a need thing, it's a want thing. And the recoil with 3.5" shells is sure to rattle the fillings out of my teeth while I'm at it. Masochism, what a great excuse to shoot loads that weigh more than a Snickers bar! :)
 
The guns that handle 3.5" shells may handle heavy 2 3/4" loads reliably, but I've seen none that would handle common 2 3/4" field loads consistently. Even many of the semi-autos that are 3" compatible aren't always reliable with the lightest 2 3/4" loads.

I'd think hard about whether you really need 3.5" shells. The only place where they are really needed is if you shoot geese a lot with steel shot. There are other, much more effective non-toxic options in 3". They are more expensive, but for the occasional shot I'd use them. Steel is a lot cheaper, but this is where you can take advantage of the 3 1/2 shells. With steel you have a hard time stuffing enough of the big pellets into a 3" shell to be effective. 3.5" shells aren't really needed for ducks or anything where you're shooting lead.

A 3.5" turkey load from a typical weight shotgun will have recoil in the 458 WM category. I've had a couple of 3 1/2" guns, a Benelli Nova and 870 Supermag. Sold 'em both. I don't want a turkey bad enough to take that. In fact I've gone to a 20 ga for turkey. I can get patterns tight enough at 40 yards with it. And where I hunt 30-40 yards is as long a shot as I'll get.

If it has to be 3.5", and it has to be semi-auto, and if you want reliability, you won't find one for $1000.

In my opinion I'd give up the chance to shoot 3 1/2" shells, (that I'd rarely ever need), in order to have much better reliability with 2 3/4" shells (the ones I'll shoot most). This opens the door for a lot of $1000 3" semi-autos. And if you ever really NEED 3 1/2 capability the Benelli Nova or Mossberg pump are cheap, reliable options.
 
I wouldn’t get a 3.5” they just string out the payload longer. Asking an auto loader to cycle everything for under 1k is at all order. I like Beretta and Mossberg 930 or JM940. See which one fits you best and take it home
 
I like the Mossberg 930, had one that I sold during the Sandy Hook shortage because someone made me an obscene offer. The fit of the 930 is very different than the Berettas, at least to me. The 930 fits me great, the Berettas not at all and I’ve had two.
 
The two are pretty close; I give the nod to the Beretta because it is gas operated, yet still shoots anything. The SBEIII is inertia operated. I've shot 3" out of an SBEIII, not enjoyable.
 
I had a Winchester SX2 that ran everything without fail. I sold it when I gave up waterfowl hunting. I would assume the SX4 would do the same.
They are exactly the same internally. I have four SX-3’s, two 20’s and two 12’s, all 3”. I’ve never had a problem cycling light loads with any of them.
 
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