looking for carry gun, cz 75 p-01?

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i've been thinking about picking up a new pistol which would eventually be a carry piece, and i'd like to keep it affordable (i.e., "cheaper" ammo since i'll want to shoot it as much as possible) and small/lightweight. i don't currently have my ccw permit, and quite frankly don't plan on it until i find a gun i'm comfortable with and then submit the papers.

i've been lurking for many months, and have gone back and forth between perhaps 3-4 guns but most recently my focus has settled on a cz 75 p-01. it seems substantially smaller than a 75b, has a pretty good 14 shot capacity, and seems to have a very solid reputation. for my purposes, i think 9mm is a good choice (not least of which is cost of shooting -- did i mention i want to shoot a LOT with my carry weapon?) and i'd like a relatively compact gun. i'm not a small guy (6'6"), so "compact" is maybe a relative term. i have a revolver i COULD use for carry (3" ruger gp100 -- not the smallest of guns, but do-able for me), but living in the heat of texas having something smaller but not tiny would be handy.

the problem i have in deciding is that i don't know of a range near by which has one to try out -- in fact, no stores i've asked even have one in stock to hold (i have seen a 75b at an academy store, though). the one feature of this particular gun that i'm totally unfamilar with is the decocker -- and here lies my concern. i'm not entirely sure, practically speaking, what that means to me (having a decocker -- how it's "different", etc). i really don't want a glock with its safe action safety, i thought about a springfield XD (and that might still be in the running), but maybe it's just my familiarity with revolvers and lever guns that i find comfort in being able to see the hammer and lower it if i want.

i really do wish that there was a range by me with a p-01 i could, at the very least, handle... but i can't. i bought a couple guns before by ordering without handling ahead of time and those both worked out great, but for my intended carry piece, i'd really like to be sure. like i said, the decocker/safety is what is my main concern now.

please, any info would be greatly appreciated.
 
Cz P-01

The CZ P-01 has been my carry gun for over 2 years now, it has never failed to fire or have any ejection issues. Although they are not popular in gunstores at all, hard to find and people know very little about them you will find the P-01 a good fit.
Its strong points
1. Its not plastic, which can soften in the heat of a car in summer, all metal construction and sadisticly tested by the Czech police/military.
2. Can use magazines for the full size CZ 75 which can be had for under 20 dollars. Mecgar magazines are the same as the CZ brand and I have seen no differance in performance other than price.
3. Light mount on front for a tac light if you want.
4. Has a NATO stock number and tested by NATO.
5. The CZ 75 design has been around for 30 years.
6. Light weight aluminum frame with steel slide gives you good carry size but not so light that recoil is a issue.

Its a great package overall, but....
Its weak points
1. You cant run to a local store and find a off the rack holster.
2. The guys at the gun store will laugh at you for not trusting your life with a $1200 gun.
3. You wont have to send it back to the factory to fix lack of QC oversights, like a few pistols I have had in the past- composing letters to customer service was always fun as was the trips to UPS. I miss that a lot.
4. None of your friends have one, but always pick yours off the table and shoot it at the range.
5. You wont have to fire 500 rounds of .45 ACP to break it in to test it to see if its reliable.

Hope this helps you.
 
I have one, carry it, love it. 2700 rounds, no lubrication, no cleaning, no failures. And the .22LR conversion is nice too.
 
I've shot Jlbraun's piece. Its a very nice shooter. A tad on the heavy side for a carry gun (I am used to polymer guns for carry myself), but accurate and pretty low recoil.
 
Like Osmosis, I have a P-01 as my usual CCW as well. It's one of my favorite handguns and I would not hesitate to recommend it.

The decocker may take a bit of getting used to, but if you're like me when the army handed me an M9 (first decocker equipped pistol I'd ever shot) it is more a mental issue than a manual of arms one. I simply was very skeptical of the decocker and not keen on the idea of the hammer falling on a loaded chamber. But, I've never had (or seen) a decocker fail on a Beretta, CZs with them, Sigs, Makarovs, or anything else.
 
5. You wont have to fire 500 rounds of .45 ACP to break it in to test it to see if its reliable.
:D
I am still amazed at how many people are gullible enough to accept that as part of shooting. Nothing wrong with putting a gun through a good workout to verify it is reliable enough to save your life, but to waste a few hundred rounds just to make it work right is something the factory should do. Outside of backing over a baseball glove, I can't think of many things that need a break in period to so much as function.
 
Close Fit

The Academy stores by me carry the CZ 40P. The 40P is the same frame as the CZ P-01. Really the only major difference is the Slide and the 40P is a .40S&W cal. Sooooo, you can get a feel for the grip and ergonomics of the CZ P-01. What part of TX you in? If you're close to Austin or Cedar Park, you're more then welcome to try my CZ's.
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Regards,

CZrider :) "Line 'er up and let 'er buck"
 
I've had the compact for quite a while and it's the one I take to the range most often. I've never had a reliability issue with it. Ergos are great, it's very accurate and a joy to shoot. Another thing I like is that it's sa/da. No need to carry cocked and locked. Breakdown and reassembly for cleaning is as easy as it gets and it has a thumb safety as opposed to a decocker. A Kadet conversion kit in .22 is also available and is a great addition for plinking/training. I've heard people say "it's a great gun for the money". My take is that it's a great gun, period. I've posted this picture a few times but it's the only one I have...so here it is again.

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Outlaws said:
Quote:5. You wont have to fire 500 rounds of .45 ACP to break it in to test it to see if its reliable.

I am still amazed at how many people are gullible enough to accept that as part of shooting. Nothing wrong with putting a gun through a good workout to verify it is reliable enough to save your life, but to waste a few hundred rounds just to make it work right is something the factory should do. Outside of backing over a baseball glove, I can't think of many things that need a break in period to so much as function.
I would put that many (and more) rounds through any firearm before I'm willing to bet my life on it. Yep, the factory should make sure it damn well functions before shipping it out, but I see confirming the reliability the same as checking the chamber myself (even though I saw my buddy just check it himself before handing it to me).

Just a matter of professional caution - never blindly trust your life to any manufacturer ;)
 
Did someone say PO1?

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You may have noticed I am somewhat fond of my CZ-PO1. It works perfectly, carries easily, (found this holster "on the rack :neener:), shoots every time, and hits what I aim at.

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I do reccomend ANYONE shoot several magfuls of your carry ammo through the sidearm you are going to bet your life on, regardless of who made it.
The decocker is easy to use, and lowers the hammer to half cock, which you can see in my pics.

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This is a safe and normal position for the hammer in a CZ pistol. BUT, never ever trust completely in ANY mechaical device, always point the sidearm in a safe direction when decocking, either manually or with the aid of the decocker.
If you were driving through AZ I'd let you try mine.
 
the one feature of this particular gun that i'm totally unfamilar with is the decocker -- and here lies my concern. i'm not entirely sure, practically speaking, what that means to me (having a decocker -- how it's "different", etc

The decocker on the CZ's works like the ones on the Berettas, Sigs, Walther PPK's, etc. If you can find one of those in a shop, you can pretty much determine how they work from those listed above and more. Ask the store employee to see a gun with a decocker.

My CZ PCR is basically the PO1 without the light rail. It's very accurate, extremely reliable right out of the box and IMO, small for a staggered mag semi-auto. I would think if you are 6-6, the length of pull on the CZ would not be an issue like it was for me. I had to put thin aftermarket wood grips on it so I felt comfortable with the LOP, as with the original grips, I was at the limits of acceptability with the PCR.

Here's a review of the first time I shot mine with some friends out in the desert http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/showthread.php?t=869 Read post 4 and then post 5 on the verification a shot I made with that gun.

Needless to say, I like my CZ.:D

Brownie
 
I carry a CZ P-01, trading off with a Bersa 380, depending on clothing or weather.

With the P-01, I've never had a failure of any kind. Reliable as a Swiss watch, insanely rugged, and more accurate than I'll ever be.

You just won't go wrong with this gun.
 
CZRider said:
...What part of TX you in? If you're close to Austin or Cedar Park, you're more then welcome to try my CZ's.
thanks for the offer, really that's quite nice of you -- i'm more in the houston area. although i think from what a lot of people said here, taken with much of my prior research, i'm feeling better and better about taking the plunge even if i don't manage to find one to hold in-hand locally (although the tip to look for a very similar 40p is quite handy -- i'll have to check the 2-3 academy stores near by). now i just have to decide if i want to make the purchase soon or wait until christmas ;)
 
It is my bedside gun with a TRL-1 light on it. I have it in a Comptac holster and 2 mags and a Surefire L4 light and a Mad Dog BearCat knife on a Wilderness belt hanging on a peg next to bed. I put it in the closet which has a steel door when I am not around the house. It is extremely accurate. I have Winchester Ranger XT 127+p loads in it . Thats a 52 round load on the belt,enough for a real good shoot out! The thing is incredibly accurate; under 2" at 25 yards! The decocker is very cool and safe!
 
If you don't like the idea of a decocker then some other CZ models might suit you better. Presuming you're comfortable with Condition 1 "cocked and locked" carry that is.

The CZ-75 Compact will do that, and if you're willing to entertain a sub-compact there's always the RAMI models. Grip size on the RAMI might be an issue for you at 6'6" though. It's a bit small for me, but workable, and my paws are about the same size as a 12 year old girl's.

Hope you weren't looking for somebody to talk you out of a CZ. If so you picked the wrong place. :D
 
Everyone raves about the P-01, and for good reason.

However, I need to point something out. I've had my full size 75b for 4 years now and having largish hands, it fits like a glove. All 3 fingers are comfortably on the grip.

Now the P-01 has a shorter grip. Not a LOT shorter, but just enough that I can't get my little finger fully on the grip, rather it rides *right* on that metal baseplate.

So, if you have smaller hands you'll do just fine. But if your glove size runs in the XL range, just keep that in mind.

Oh and I had a 40P for a little while...hated it. Gritty trigger, too snappy and pretty bad trigger slap. I really tried to like it. The 75b in 40 felt much better to me and I wouldn't mind having one at some point.
 
GigaBuist said:
...If you don't like the idea of a decocker then some other CZ models might suit you better. Presuming you're comfortable with Condition 1 "cocked and locked" carry that is....
actually, the idea of a decocker is what initially made me attracted to this gun. i like being able to decock a gun, and this fact is what has really kept me away from other guns (like the aforementioned glock, etc). i guess i'm just not 100% comfortable, yet, with carrying a "cocked and locked" gun -- and i don't think that the hesitation is a bad thing. i was initially looking at getting another smaller revolver but then i saw this gun and started to think it might fit the job nicely (plus i don't currently own a 9mm).

in other news -- i just looked at academy's site, and they actually list the p-01 now (i don't think i've seen it there before, though they have listed the 75b).

http://www.academy.com/index.php?pa..._handguns&start=0&selectedSKU=0357-00579-1199

how does their price of $458 compare?
 
Price, grip and testing a firearm, my thoughts

That price is very competive, I payed $425 two years ago. Academy stores that I visited in Florida had great prices- and Monarch ammo too (which I cant get here in Washington state).
As for grip, my girlfriend had no issues with trigger reach and I am 6 foot 2 inches and wear a XL glove. For me It feels like a Browning Highpower and my pinky does not hang off the bottom of the grip. But everyones hands are not the same so I would pick one up to check it out first.
I highly recommend testing your chosen sidearm with your carry load, take a class or two and practice very often. Some people say 500 rounds as the least amount to run threw a new pistol. I agree. I have had good luck with my CZ P-01. I am with AndyC to test and not to blindly trust advertising/manufactures or get focused on a brand-
 
CZrider,

I'll take you on the offer if it stands for anybody. I live in the Brushy Creek area of Round Rock (near parmer and 620). I think I'm in love with the P-01. Since I've been "relieved" of my beloved xd9sc, I've been carrying my xd40tac. It's getting to be a little long to carry. I wanted to try handling one before I sell the 40, my les paul, or a kidney.

So what time you want to meet at Red's Saturday?:D
 
Compact, durable and amazingly accurate. No small wonder that it is the hottest selling CZ pistol this year.

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Try'em Out

DeftwillP,

I'll have to check on Saturday's priors. Yes, you too are welcome to try them out. Red's is ABSOLUTELY out and for many reasons! I shoot at Eagle Peak just west of Cedar Park. I'm very close to you. I'll e-mail you and we can set something up. I'm retired so I'm pretty flexible.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm old and my kids say that's a good reason for some of the things I do.:D

Best regards,
CZRider :) "Line 'er up and let 'er buck"
 
Some Pics.

Here are a few pictures of my SP01 Tactical (decocker model), P-01 and CZ-75B.

Personally, I prefer the SP01 over everything else so far. It has bigger sights (and they're tritium, too) ambi decocker and the trigger is amazing. The P-01 is essentially the same pistol, except it's smaller and has the aluminum alloy frame, whereas the SP01 is all steel.

The 75B is a new addition to the stable... sights are about the same as the P01 and the trigger needs some attention.

All of these are fine carry pieces. I have no problems concealing any of them with a belly band. In fact, I carry the SP01 and an extra magazine (19 rounds) without any trouble. I'm about 6' and 200 pounds.

Now, for the pictures...

From top to bottom:

75B - two tone, P01, SP01
75B - two tone, P01, partial of SP01
P01, SP01
P01, SP01
P01, 75B - two tone

I've changed the grips out on the SP01 and 75B.. otherwise, everything is bone stock in appearance.

Steve
 

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