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I'm looking for pistols with the following qualities.

1. 1.3 inches wide or less.
2. 9mm, and feeds hollowpoints well.
3. Capable of being carried cocked & locked (or something similar - I just don't want a DA pull.)
4. Single stack, preferrably. (Not required if it's thin enough.)
5. Capable of having a 6# or less trigger pull. (Doesn't HAVE to come factory this way, but preferred.)
6. Capable of being dry-fired many, many times without anything breaking.
7. Utterly reliable out of the box.
8. $1500 or under, preferrably under $1000.

Hopefully there is more than one pistol that fits this criteria. I'm hoping to do some serious SD pistol shopping soon.

I do not know if any Glocks fit my criteria, but please do not list them. I do not shoot them well, and I routinely engage the magazine release with my middle finger while firing them.

Also keep in mind that I have fairly long fingers.
 
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H&K P7M8 :D My friends called it the pancake pistol because it was so slim. I wish I hadn't sold it. :(

Another one might be a Sig P225, same size as the 228 and 229 except the grip is thinner because it is single stack. Not sure if it is over 1.5" thick however.
 
Doesn't get much better.

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Argh. All signs keep pointing to the P7! And it looks nice, to boot. I really need to hold one to see it it fits me well.

The P225 also looks like it might work. It's listed as being 1.3 inches wide. I'll have to try one out, too.

Are there any others that might fit my criteria?
 
P225 doesn't fit your criteria as it cannot be carried cocked and locked and that first double action shot is very stiff on 99% of the P225s I have shot. I love the P225 and it is a spectacular gun but doesn't fit your criteria.

The P7 or maybe a 9x19mm 1911 variant seem to be your best single stack single action type pistols.

Beretta makes a couple of single stacks with safeties that are reasonbly small but I have no direct experience with them.

Chris
 
Didn't know the P228 couldn't be carried C&L. For some reason, I thought sigs could. :confused: Is it CZs that are DA/SA but can still be carried C&L?
 
How about the Browning Hi Power? Though some have triggers that need work out of the box. I also don't like the magazine disconnect. So, if you wish a completely stock pistol, you may or may not get what you want in a Hi Power. They can be made into a great pistol with a little 'smithing.

I had an HK P7-M13 (double stack). While a little thicker than the P7-M8 it carried 5 more rounds, and was still not a thick pistol. The P7s take a little care in finding proper gun leather to accomodate them, but they are great shooters, accurate, easy trigger, and ergonomic for shopoters of either handedness.
 
1. 1.5 inches wide or less.

Even my thick as brick Glocks come in at less than 1.2". That opens up pretty much anything you would want "euro" wise just need the right trigger system.

As I understand it you can get the HK LEM or Sig DAK DAO systems with pulls right at your maximum weight requiment. This opens up the USP, USP Compact, 226 and 229 series guns.

7. Utterly reliable out of the box.

Nobody can promise that anymore than they can promise you that your new mercedes will never break down. In my personal experience Glock, HK's, Rugers and S/W's offer very relaible designs. Hear good things from friends who tote Sigs. Just as sure somewhere somebody got a problem child of each and every brand.
 
I am surprised that a Glock is 1.2 inches wide. I looked it up on the website and that is, indeed, what they list it as. Perhaps I need to narrow my width down a little, because when I fired my friend's G21 (which I know is slightly wider than a 9mm model) it didn't feel too narrow.

I suppose I'll amend my post and whittle my requirements down to a 1.3" width.

Nobody can promise that anymore than they can promise you that your new mercedes will never break down. In my personal experience Glock, HK's, Rugers and S/W's offer very relaible designs. Hear good things from friends who tote Sigs. Just as sure somewhere somebody got a problem child of each and every brand.
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Perhaps "a reputation for utter reliability" would have been a better way to put it.

Edit: Wow, the STI is very interesting. I'll have to look at one of those.

Further edit: Well, having looked at STI's website, it says it doesn't lock back on the last round fired. That takes it down a notch, but it's still a pistol worth considering.
 
Look at some of the CZ pistols. They are double-action, but can be carried cocked & locked. They are rugged, accurate, reliable and reasonably priced.

But they may be too thick,
 
Just a warning about specs. on mfg. websites and in catalogs. They are not always what they seem.

Sometimes...
"length" is slide length not overall length,
"width" is slide width only not overall width including grips and protrusions,
"height" includes sights, mag. butts, mag. releases, etc. sometimes it doesn't,
"empty weight" includes mag. sometimes it doesn't,
"loaded weight" includes one in the chamber sometimes it doesn't.

Sometimes they explain all this, sometimes they don't.
 
The only reason I didn't suggest a CZ is because they are double stack and he stated he prefered single stack. If double stack is ok then I say give either an HK or CZ a go.

Chris
 
Might I suggest something from the Kahr line? Have you tried one? Really a great "double action" trigger. Super thin, super streamlined very easy to carry. Versions in black...Stainless and Polymer. And, way under your price ceiling. One of the few guns approved by the NYPD...Thats a pretty big hurdle for a gun maker. I have a P7M8 and a Kahr. No dog in the hunt, but, give them a look over if ya get a chance.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions, guys. As I said, I prefer single stack, but I'll at least give the doubles a try. (Any excuse to handle more guns is a good excuse!)

Just a warning about specs. on mfg. websites and in catalogs. They are not always what they seem.

Sometimes...
"length" is slide length not overall length,
"width" is slide width only not overall width including grips and protrusions,
"height" includes sights, mag. butts, mag. releases, etc. sometimes it doesn't,
"empty weight" includes mag. sometimes it doesn't,
"loaded weight" includes one in the chamber sometimes it doesn't.

Sometimes they explain all this, sometimes they don't.
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Noted. Thanks for the help everyone.
 
Although both are double stack, CZ RAMI or USP9c would fit the bill. I have the RAMI, cotemplating the H&K.
 
I'll throw in another vote for a Colt Commander in 9mm. Meets all your requirements.
 
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