ShroomFish
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A company near where I live does, a very unheard-of company (good products though, I have purchased quite a bit from them)...
They make Arsenal AK's seem cheap -.-
Looking to buy an AK rifle...
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They make Arsenal AK's seem cheap -.-
berettaman200
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thanks for proving what I said poserhoser.
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Carolina Kalash
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well, if i had a job, and i dont... not by choice, then maybe that wouldn't be so bad, but i only make around $30 or so a weekend, and that's not every weekend... it would take a while to even be able to afford a cheap low-end piece of trash AK...
I feel your pain. Unemployment is running out for me, unable to find any respectable job. Full time college student with a wife and bills. Might be taking a low-paying job that he college.
A gun is just one of those things that you don't want to settle on the cheapest option. There are great bargains in the middle, but not usually at the bottom.
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Carolina Kalash
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Well what about those GP 1975s? They're not to pricy, but I dont know if they are any good or not. and i've also heard that yugos are not bad either, though a bit more expensive...
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kalashnikov74
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The saiga with conversion shouldn't cost more than 550 plus its a MUCH better rifle than any century arms.
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Carolina Kalash
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where might i be able to find one, and can Saiga rifles use reglar AK mags, or do you have to use factory Saiga mags...
Cal-gun Fan
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As part of the conversion, they can be made to accept normal AK mags.
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Carolina Kalash
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well, i looked on gunbroker just a few minutes ago, the cheapest converted Saiga was $949.99... if i was gonna spend that much on a gun, i'd get something better than an AK...
"better than an AK"...
Then don't buy an AK.
What the poster was telling you is that you can get a SAIGA, and convert it yourself for around $550, yourself.
You would know that if you did the research we kindly tried to help you with.
You would also know, as part of the conversion process, one can chose to install a bullet guide to use any standard AK magazine.
Then don't buy an AK.
What the poster was telling you is that you can get a SAIGA, and convert it yourself for around $550, yourself.
You would know that if you did the research we kindly tried to help you with.
You would also know, as part of the conversion process, one can chose to install a bullet guide to use any standard AK magazine.
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Carolina Kalash
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well where would be a good place to reasearch this? all the links i find are about the history of the gun... and i have looked at some reveiws on some gun sites, but that's such a mixed bag i dont know what to believe...
Cal-gun Fan
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Just search "Saiga Rifle Conversion"...
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Carolina Kalash
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that's not my point, in my first post i said i didnt want to spend significantly more than $550 dollars, somebody sugested an converted Saiga, i looked at a price and it was right next to $1000, and i said if i was going to spend that much on a gun, id get something better than an AK... but im not spending that much anyway, AKs arent supposed to be that expensive, im getting an AK because most i've seen arent even half that much...
Gordon_Freeman
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WASR 10/63s work great. They are reliable and good shooters. The fit and finish are not so good though. You might wish you saved up to get an Arsenal SGL instead.
If you are determined to spend around $500, then a WASR 10/63 is a good choice. You can always buy upgraded furniture for it in the future.
If you are determined to spend around $500, then a WASR 10/63 is a good choice. You can always buy upgraded furniture for it in the future.
Polish 1960:
Marked Century but subcontracted out to a decent company.
Barrels are US made
Milled receiver
Can be had for $500ish if you look.
Other option is piece you together an AR. The entire reason for me getting into ARs was being broke. Part by part everytime I got a lil money. It took me over 2 years to build a $2500ish (including optic) AR that I would put up any (insert brand here).
There is no way I could afford a $2500ish gun.
Marked Century but subcontracted out to a decent company.
Barrels are US made
Milled receiver
Can be had for $500ish if you look.
Other option is piece you together an AR. The entire reason for me getting into ARs was being broke. Part by part everytime I got a lil money. It took me over 2 years to build a $2500ish (including optic) AR that I would put up any (insert brand here).
There is no way I could afford a $2500ish gun.
I think we all suggested that YOU convert the SAIGA. Its really easy, minimal tools/experience. The hardest part is drilling out the rivets and the spot weld. Just time consuming. Took me about 5 hours on a Sunday, and I had a final at 8am the following morning. I've never taken apart a gun before that. Now I understand it 100%.
Here's an idea, how about you get a Saiga, leave it as it is until you've researched and saved enough to do the work yourself? There are great videos on YouTube that cover the whole process of converting the rifle.
I don't know your situation, so no offense, but if I was unemployed, buying a gun would be the last thing I do unless I had no means for self protection. But it's your money so do what you like.
I don't know your situation, so no offense, but if I was unemployed, buying a gun would be the last thing I do unless I had no means for self protection. But it's your money so do what you like.
Dorkfish,
All of the research that I have done points to the Saiga as being the best bang for the buck. I have one that I converted and I don't think I have much more than $500 into it. I really like that rifle.
As has been suggested, if you buy the rifle and then convert it yourself, it will be about $500, but if you are buying one POST conversion, its going to cost you a lot more. My personal theory on that is that it can take a couple hours or more to do the conversion, so you're getting stuck with the bill from havign a gunsmith undo some screws and redo the trigger guard.
I know that some of the conversions out there look pretty complicated, but they really aren't that hard. I remember when I first was starting it out, and alot of people said "If I can do it, You can do it" and I thought "Yea, right." Actually, they were right. Keep in mind, these guns are worked on by guys in caves with primative hand tools. If they can do it, you can do it.
You can probably do it with just a screwdriver and a cordless drill, but I would recomend using a dremel tool for some of the stuff. If you don't have a dremel tool and a cordless drill, do yourself a favor, and buy them. No, seriously, they are great tools and with them you can do a lot of different jobs, gun related or not.
Heres something to help you get started:
http://forum.saiga-12.com/
Thats one of the main Saiga forums, and even though it says Saiga 12, they cover the rifles too. There should be a pretty good video tutorial on there that will walk you through it.
You really owe it to yourself to do some research before you buy.
as far as the exposed gas tube goes, I personaly prefer the full length saiga handguard. It allows you to hold the gun wherever you want, not just one location.
I run my Saiga with regular AK mags - you just have to add a bullet guide (its pretty simple) and shave off some of the mag release (also pretty simple)
Hope this helps.
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
All of the research that I have done points to the Saiga as being the best bang for the buck. I have one that I converted and I don't think I have much more than $500 into it. I really like that rifle.
As has been suggested, if you buy the rifle and then convert it yourself, it will be about $500, but if you are buying one POST conversion, its going to cost you a lot more. My personal theory on that is that it can take a couple hours or more to do the conversion, so you're getting stuck with the bill from havign a gunsmith undo some screws and redo the trigger guard.
I know that some of the conversions out there look pretty complicated, but they really aren't that hard. I remember when I first was starting it out, and alot of people said "If I can do it, You can do it" and I thought "Yea, right." Actually, they were right. Keep in mind, these guns are worked on by guys in caves with primative hand tools. If they can do it, you can do it.
You can probably do it with just a screwdriver and a cordless drill, but I would recomend using a dremel tool for some of the stuff. If you don't have a dremel tool and a cordless drill, do yourself a favor, and buy them. No, seriously, they are great tools and with them you can do a lot of different jobs, gun related or not.
Heres something to help you get started:
http://forum.saiga-12.com/
Thats one of the main Saiga forums, and even though it says Saiga 12, they cover the rifles too. There should be a pretty good video tutorial on there that will walk you through it.
You really owe it to yourself to do some research before you buy.
as far as the exposed gas tube goes, I personaly prefer the full length saiga handguard. It allows you to hold the gun wherever you want, not just one location.
I run my Saiga with regular AK mags - you just have to add a bullet guide (its pretty simple) and shave off some of the mag release (also pretty simple)
Hope this helps.
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
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Actually, yes you can. It's been my experience that the cheaper ones run as well as the higher end AK's, and that higher end AK's are no more likely to be perfect out of the box than WASR's or the old SAR's they replaced.
They all work right when they're working right and they all give you headaches when they're not.
But I don't think WASR's are worth it at their current prices. I've seen them a bit over $500 locally... even as other AK's are coming down in price. A converted Saiga SGL-21 or 31 is a better gun and well worth the little more cash to own it.
As for the conversion, the guy said he's not interested in converting his own. I understand that - neither am I. He just wants to buy and shoot. Nothing wrong with that.
I just went through the same process (trying to decide which AK to buy). I started off thinking that I wanted a $400 WASR-10, but I did a couple days worth of internet searching, reading, and BS'ing with a buddy who has real world AK experience, and decided to save up a bit more cash for an Arsenal SGL21-61.
http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=1&cat=23&page=1
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/special-weapons/arsenal-sgl20-762x39mm/
The MSRP is $825, but deals can be had for under $700 if you shop around.
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http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/product.php?productid=1&cat=23&page=1
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/special-weapons/arsenal-sgl20-762x39mm/
The MSRP is $825, but deals can be had for under $700 if you shop around.
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Cryogaijin
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When you get half a dozen experienced people agreeing on a course and disregarding your "I don't want" perhaps you should listen to the voices of experience?
I've done two saiga conversions, a .308 and a 12 gauge, and both turned out excellent. Ok, check here: http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/rifles-unconverted-saigas-c-395_406_396.html three different calibers for $400 or less. Take your pick. Then buy the conversion materials from them as well (Tapco g2 trigger is $25, pistol grip and grip nut total of $20, stock of your choice as expensive as you want to spend, foregrip, again as expensive as you want to spend. You'll need a retaining clip/plate as well, though that can be faked with paperclips if you forget 'em.) It can be done for under $100 if you are careful and reuse the stock trigger guard. You can also get wood furnature for the saigas, and MAA has them under the timbersmith label.
I've done two saiga conversions, a .308 and a 12 gauge, and both turned out excellent. Ok, check here: http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/rifles-unconverted-saigas-c-395_406_396.html three different calibers for $400 or less. Take your pick. Then buy the conversion materials from them as well (Tapco g2 trigger is $25, pistol grip and grip nut total of $20, stock of your choice as expensive as you want to spend, foregrip, again as expensive as you want to spend. You'll need a retaining clip/plate as well, though that can be faked with paperclips if you forget 'em.) It can be done for under $100 if you are careful and reuse the stock trigger guard. You can also get wood furnature for the saigas, and MAA has them under the timbersmith label.
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berettaman200
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just get a wasr 10 for god sake. I have 2 and my friend has one. No problems. I stained my furniture and varnished. Looks great.
No offense, but if I was in that situation I would not be buying a gun I don't really need.
I think a self converted saiga is the best bang for the buck but I've seen enough Wasr 10s that run just fine that if I mostly wanted AK looks and was on a budget I'd happily buy one I could inspect in person.
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