looks like the first Kel-Tec RFB in 7.62x51/.308 has hit the market

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I also figure that the muzzle blast cannot be too bad compaired to some of uber hot hand loads one of guys I go shooting with is fond of loading up for our snub nose magnums. Am I mistaken in thinking that a sane .308 load will not rival those? That said a .30 cal suppressor is on my short list of future aquisitions anyhow.

I am more concerned with reliability and accuracy. If its not rock solid on the first and respectable on the second then the rifle loses its appeal to me.
 
That's funny, it shoots a larger cartridge than the FS2000 and weighs 1 pound less...
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Are you comparing the FS2000 with an optic to the railed no optic, no irons, RFB or are you comparing a railed FS2000 sans optic?
 
since nobody has said it i think its so ugly its cool and i like how it just stands on its end like that
would look great on my mantle or center piece for coffee table
great conversation piece
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Yeah, wire it up and make it into a lamp!

:D
 
I want one but I'm afraid the game they appear to be playing (where are the rest of them?) to hype up the gun just might make them so expensive I'll probably buy another FAL instead. Or bho might get his ban in before they can really ramp up production. :uhoh:
 
Maybe I'm getting old and set in my ways but NO! Just seems something obtuse about this firearm. I love kel-tec and most of their firearms fill a niche but this design has flaws written all over it. I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night and I could be wrong! ;)
 
What glaringly obvious flaws are you seeing?
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About the only flaw I see (other than the .308 too close to the face argument, not too big of a deal for me) is the difficulty in clearing a jam. I don't know for a fact (as I have yet to fondle one) but it seems that the gun must be broken down to clear a jam, and that could be a big problem depending upon: reliability, intended use, and difficulty of breaking down (from what I have seen not too bad, looks to be on par with a AR). You must also remember that the FS2000 (as well as others) has the same issue, so I do not think it was an oversight or an overall poor design (although not necessary ideal). One thing I am sure of is that someone will argue with me (from either side, probably both) until they are blue in the face. :neener:
 
This is why I asked the question....:D

Kel-Tec started off with a ground up bullpup design back in the early 90's with the SUB-16 and have been working on the design since so I imagine they've had time to worry out the kinks.

The action is a short stroke piston with variable manual gas regulation so nothing spooky or worrisome there.
Bullpup designs are a known quantity and used in a dozen plus different weapons
Magazines are FAL so no concerns there
The no return, forward ejection system is not proprietary and is not on the top areas of concern for the FS2000.
It's leftie friendly, not a concern for me but a boon for our sinister friends.....:evil:
The trigger mechanism ( a traditional moan for bullpups) has apparently been made real user friendly.

The one area that is an inherent feature and a perceptual but not actual risk is that when the last round has been fired, the last, empty case needs to be manually ejected if you want to fully clear the weapon.
 
That seems totally reasonable to me. Either you leave a round in the tube, or you get rid of the last round hold open. I'd much rather have the last round hold open, and then rack it when I'm done shooting.
 
and then rack it when I'm done shooting.
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Didn't realize it was that easy...nice to know. It would be a bit annoying to have that extra round left in the ejector. Also, at $1300.00 it doesn't seem to be a horrible deal either (though I wouldn't pay what many ask).
 
So I got to thinking....

And this is what I came up with.

A new, shmancy thumbhole stock for aesthetics and to shield the mag release, plus hide all those ugly screws somehow (other manufacturers manage). Give it a 20 inch bull barrel without gaining length by removing the flash hider. Then, throw on an ACOG or similar to give it some reach. I call it the RFB-CT (compact tactical, I know, original). You listening, Kel Tec? :rolleyes:

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Now I just have to come up with a good bipod mounting solution.
 
Now I just have to come up with a good bipod mounting solution.
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A barrel mount at the muzzle should be quite accurate...:D Oh, and the thumbhole won't fly as it kills the ambidexterity (<- Original Word ;) )of the weapon. On a more serious note what about a sling swivel for the bipod?
 
If the thumbhole is big enough- think Cx4. I like the swivel stud idea, but it'd have to be retractable so you could still hold the grip when not using a bipod. Maybe it could be spring loaded in the retracted position with a button to push it out to the attachment position.
 
With that price its making the Springfield M1A Super Match look better and better. I have always wanted one. Tough choice. I guess I will wait for the accuracy reviews to come out.
 
I guess I will wait for the accuracy reviews to come out.
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Wise decisions, I heard that it (Target Version) was supposed to give the PSG-1 a run for its money...I can't fathom that happening.
 
If it were closer to $1500, I could probably afford to take a look; I've had my eye on these for a while, and kind of want one.....but since it was announced and been put into production, I'm now a broke college student who already has an AR15 to feed. :(

I'll tell you something that could be cool---a .22 kit for that thing.
 
Raping on the price!

Hi guys.
As a lefty and a bullpup fan, I'm really looking forward to getting one of these. Preferably in the 24" barreled model. MI has a stupid law that anything under 30" overall has to be registered as a handgun. I'd rather not have my rifle registered as a handgun. With the Sporter version being 32" OAL, I'd be good.

Did you guys see this auction selling one for $10,000.00? :what:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/984223394/Guns/Rifles/Kel-Tec-Rifles/NEW_IN_BOX_KEL_TEC_RFB_308_BULLPUP_RIFLE_W_18_BARREL.htm

Is he insane?!
 
Is he insane?!
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That guy has gone loopy...I wouldn't even consider the 18" version anyway, but I believe the 24" barrel has been scraped as it is no longer on KTs website. Wait for the 32" to come out, and see how it performs.
 
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