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Lube Pill Question

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by wco, Oct 8, 2008.

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  1. wco

    wco Member

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    What diameter should a lube pill be for a .44 and does it matter?

    If it's undersized, won't it just compress and expand to size once the ball is loaded on top of it?

    WCO
     
  2. Snaggletooth

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    I cut my lube pills with a .45 cal casing. The ball does mash the pill and form a seal to prevent chain fire and does a good job keeping the spindle lubricated, particularly on Colts.
     
  3. Smokin_Gun

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    My .36 tube is a .455" i.d./.480"o.d. / the cutter is a short tube .410" o.d. soldered in to the .455" i.d. cutting end is the untouched end left sharp by the tube cutter. At a hardware store the'll have brass tubing, .36 is .455 i.d.
    use the size below it for the blade.
    My .44 is 1/2" or .505" i.d. inner tube(blade).497" - .499".
    Solder short pieces into the long holding tube(stack tube) and cut out lube pills removed/chilled in frig form a pan (lube should be about 1/8" thick

    Any questions ask me.

    SG
     
  4. pohill

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    I mix up the "brew" of beeswax, paraffin and Bore Butter, plug one end of the gun's barrel, pour the brew in the other, wait a minute, then push it out. Now I have a lube stick, from which I can cut perfectly sized lube pills as I need them.
    zmbhut.jpg
     
  5. Snaggletooth

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    Lube pills

    Ive done much the same as Pohill. I use a piece of pvc plastic for hot water. Plug one end, pour in the solution, let it cool and push it out with a dowel rod and slice it much as he has done.
     
  6. Calibre44

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    Heay pohill

    Really like your idea – simple but effective!

    I smear our equivalent over here of Crisco over the ball – it works okay but is messy and can fly off the other chambers occasionally.

    I’d like to make my own wads but not sure which one’s to make? lube or felt.

    Are there any advantages to using a lube pill as opposed to a felt wad soaked in lube between the powder and the ball?
     
  7. pohill

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    I've never tried felt wads, but I might someday. It's tough to get the right lube pill recipe. I bought some from Rifle (Wayne) on this forum and they work great - he (or more likely his wife) has the recipe down perfectly. Mostly I've been using Crisco over the balls, but on some guns, my Paterson especially, the Crisco doesn't work anywhere near as well as the lube pills for keeping it lubed. I've also been using the vegetable spray PAM on the Paterson and Remingtons and it also works great (on the cylinder pins and down the barrel).
     
  8. Smokin_Gun

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    This Pic is a Visual of the Dimensions and values of the above process to maintain an diameter that will cimetrically fill the chambers of a .31, .36, or
    .44 caliber Cap & Ball Rev.
    PancakeLube.jpg

    SG/Rifle
     
  9. Voodoochile

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    SG if I was to do that on our table here at home Moma would wail me with the broom or what ever is convenient.

    I think though I'll try making my own Lube Pills soon like Snagle does for when I shoot Ball instead of Conicals.
     
  10. dwave

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    Dern straight on that!
     
  11. Omnivore

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    Place newspaper over the table to protect it, use a cutting board, clean up after yourself, and tell her it's your house too, thank you very much. If she still has a problem, tell her you'll have to spend $50K on a new shop so she can have the table all to herself. You could further elaborate on the roll of the modern man and woman, and how, if she on the other hand insists on having dictatorial control of the kitchen and dining room, then she must be claiming sole domain over it, meaning she does all the cooking and cleaning from now on if that's the way it's going to be, and that you'd like a chicken pot pie right now, and hop to it.

    Then again, if she's supporting your sorry butt, you'd best do as you're told.
     
  12. Voodoochile

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    LOL!

    I like your thinking Omnivore I really do.

    My wife of 10 years has been very supportive in my activities be it Archery or firearms "within reason ofcorse" & we both have to support each other both in our aspirations & the many other needs of daily life, I was just thinking that the table that we have was made by her dad & even though we have 2 lil ones running our home "you could say" she does have a pet peve when it comes to the stuff that is on her table.

    Oh & BTW, it's mostly my kitchen but only because she get's home much later than I do.

    ;)
     
  13. Smokin_Gun

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    Well, my a** would be grass too...that's Wayne's Table(Rifle) and I do believe he put that on the table afterwards for the Picture...Junk Yard Dog his Wife that sells the Lube Pills in Qtys. would have had im sleepin' in the Barn for sure, with them pills bein' where'd they 'd not cast a shadow ... HeeHeeHee!

    SG
     
  14. English Bob

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    I have found the simplest way is to use felt wads soaked in a mix of 50/50 Wonderlube and Yellow Beeswax. This mix gives a nice solid feel to the wad when seating the ball but is soft enough to mix well with the bunring powder and keep the fouling soft and that cylinder turning. :)
     
  15. WARDER

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    hi load your pistol the proper way ,powder ,filler ball ,and a smear of lithium grease over the top.use semolina as a filler to bring the ball close to the top of the cylinder ,WE ALL USE TWO FLASKS ,ONE POWDER ONE SEMOLINA CUT TO SUIT THE LOAD ,dont mess about with wax wads they dont work well at all,get a syringe fill with lithium grease and squirt ouer the ball when loaded. BEST RESULTS .no messin.
     
  16. Smokin_Gun

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    You sir, parden the expression, may be out of you freakin' mind. IMHO

    Lube Pills that are made up of beeswax, parafin, and Olive/Soy Oil are not only the best thing that have ever been used in BP C&B Revs, they easy to make and use, Accurate, increase longevity of use of Rev with out cleaning.
    Why would you use filler in a Cap & Ball Rev...and lithium grease in a syringe...if "Wild Bill Hickok" could read this now he'd roll over in his grave. I'd shoot dry before I'd do all that, why? Cause I've done it and used it. Puflon and Lithium Grease...what a mess got three hands?...
    I'd like to invite you shooting with me...I wanna show you how well the Lube Pills work compared to two flasks, and a syringe to reload and shoot acutally all day on the walk.
    Well are you taking my invite WARD?

    Oh I see your New...well don't let me bother you none, but I sincerely mean what I said above. I said "may be out of your mind" time will tell. HeeHee! If you are you almost in the right place.
    Welcome Ward,

    SG:banghead:
     
  17. WARDER

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    hi smokey i'm a new member but not new to black powder 30years of it in fact ,so i dont need you to tell me which works best and i've drawers full of medals to prove it.how many you got ?.you seem like a whimp afraid to get your hands dirty and by the way i dont think WILD BILL used lub pills,probably good old bear grease over ball. think about it Smokey Boy. unlike you i like to hit what i shoot at .but if your shooting is anything like your slobering you must be O.K. SEE YEH.HE/HE/.
     
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  18. mykeal

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    Ok, guys, knock it off. We don't need this kind of stuff.
     
  19. rjsixgun

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    I take a piece of felt and dip it into my bullet lube (50/50 Beezwax/crisco) then take the wet felt put it on paper plate and into the freezer.
    When its hard I punch my wads, then put the wads in a coffie cup with some talc-powder and shake. Makes a nice lubed wad that wont stick to the ball or to other wads, and it keeps my barrel very clean.
     
  20. dwave

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    Hey Warder, can your gun go over 100 shots without cleaning? I could only get 6 cylinders before I had to clean up a bit to shoot without lube pills. Check it out:

    Colt clone 1851 navy .36
    100 shots with lube pills

    Remington clone 1858 army .44
    100 shots lube pills chapter 2
     
  21. WARDER

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    hi dwave, i would probably only shoot 50-60 shots from my wheel gun before changing to my single shot le page shooting another 50-60 shots but i never had any problems with fouling we would shoot two or three guns during a shooting session.but dont forget i use lithium grease and a semolina filler which cleans the bore on each shot . try it sometime and let me know how you get on
     
  22. Smokin_Gun

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    No need to try it already did with Puf-Lon and lithium grease...you should think about tryin' Lube Pills cuts down on your timed events cut um as a filler which there is no need for in a C&B Rev...as there is in a Cart gun...Lube Pills make a significant differance in giving tighter groups and improved accuracy, along with shootin' well into 200 rounds w/o cleaning or binding.
    Knowing where you are from now and that it ain't Tombstone...I will ignore your blunt statements. But your good intent is noted.
    Once more I welcome you Warder to the Wild Wild West...

    SG
     
  23. Smokin_Gun

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    Aw"L" Dwave that was a year ago how did I miss that...Qudos to to Dwave...xlint job...and as you know my recipe is no secret: Parafin to stiffen, Beeswax or Bolwal Wax, to carry the lube and clean the bore, and olive/Soy Oil or your favorite lube...Best thing in the world besides a real good pet kitty. :evil:

    SG
     
  24. WARDER

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    the only problem i have with lube pills is if the gun is hot or on a warm day the lube pills shurly moisten the powder unless you use a cardboard wad on top of the powder first. some one mentioned rolling them in talcum powder this might be a good idea . thanks for the welcome smokin gun, see we can be friends
     
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  25. Smokin_Gun

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    Warder I live in the Mojave Desert of So. California where a cool day in the summer id 110-115...why o you think I tell people to adjust to climate with PARAFIN Wax, More Parafin in hotter climates, less or no parafin in 10F degree weather. I've tried and tested these Lube Pills along with many others. If you have an an addition to the recipe that works good on ya mate as my Brother would say...bring it forth when tryed and true.
    Will add it to the Notes for the next Book to be written from the Old Coots at BPR forum http://Voy.com/60048.

    Come visit us Warder,
    Yours truely,
    Smokin' Gun
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