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I'm with Smokin_Gun, when it is hot 'n humid, I use more beeswax to make up for the heat. I live in SE Ohio, and it gets pretty hot here in the summer, around 90 to 95 (or hotter sometimes! :)) and VERY high humidity, but I have never had a misfire from my lube pills getting the powder wet. I suppose if you load them up and leave them for a few weeks, maybe. Never in a shooting session have I had a problem.

Thanks for the Qudos! My mix is a bit different (Just because that is what I had on hand, and it worked. Some day I will try adding Parafin. :cool:). 50% beeswax and 50% crisco. In the warmer weather I change my mix a bit to make up for the heat. Lately I have been putting Olive Oil in with the mix and adjusting. Still testing. I think some day I am going to go with a bigger test and try to hit 200.
 
Paraffin wax for BP? Are you sure?

My understanding is that paraffin wax is petroleum-based, and a definite no-no for anything shooting the Holy Black.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u1160875v7434113/

I work with beeswax in my BP toys, and have some soy wax I'm ready to tinker with later this winter when things slow down. My BPCR buddies would thrash me soundly about the head and shoulders were I to tell them I was going to use a petroleum-based bullet lube with Goex Cartridge BP. :(
 
There's nothing in this artical that I read makin' it bad juju to use a sulfer based waxes from petroleum crude as a danger to usin' Lube Pills with Sulfer based Goex BP... read closely these are lube pills for C&B not Cartridge guns. I would and have used it for boolit lube as most other store bought and home made lubes are.

Also I have Soy wax but have only found it in packs of shavins...not blocks or bricks, let me know if or where you find Soy Wax in bulk.

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SG
 
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Soy wax?

Hwy 12, Sauk City, WI.

I'm driving through there tomorrow. The lady makes candles from the stuff. I'll get her business card and post the info here.

If she's not open, there's even one just down the street from my house:

http://wisconsin.kudzu.com/merchant/16655665.html

This is nothing new in the BP world. Petroleum-based lube is widely considered incompatible with real BP because of the tarry fouling it creates upon combustion. Whether it's BP cartridge, front-stuffer, or cap n' ball, you'll still have that lube pill situated squarely in the combustion process - not good.

Some would argue that the crude oil hydrocarbon content has been safely removed from paraffin wax, rendering it closer to beeswax with respect to chemical composition. Since paraffin wax varies greatly in quality and composition depending on where and when one buys it, I'd skip the heartache totally.
 
Well Gewehr98 I'll have to strongly disagree with you as the parafin wax I buy is from Stator Brothers Grocery store in the foods section. It causes no problems for me or anyone who uses or has used lube pills over the past years. Why would you make such an aligation if you haven't even tested them yourself?

I go along with you this far, but that's it...how do you know I'm not selling these lube pills to cloth and feed my 9 children and 3 wives?
Some would argue that the crude oil hydrocarbon content has been safely removed from paraffin wax, rendering it closer to beeswax with respect to chemical composition.
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Thanks for your thoughts anyway,
Lube Pills Rule!

SG
 
No need to get uppity...

I speak from my own experience, not by conjecture. I made the mistake of using a petroleum-based wax in my BP bullet lube mix about one year ago, and also used it for a lube pill underneath the 535gr Postell bullet, ahead of the overpowder wad. It was pure hell getting the tarry residue out of my 32" barrel, and as soon as I talked to my other BPCR buddies about it, they chastised me for even thinking about doing so in the first place. Drilling deeper (ala' Google) into the BP community, they emphatically warn against using petroleum-based lubes with Holy Black. I just wish I'd known that before I tried it.

Food-grade paraffin wax, like the stuff my mom used to make freezer jelly and jam, may indeed be modified enough from crude oil to not foul the bore. Wax is, after all, a hydrocarbon, regardless of which critter it came from. Maybe I got a bad batch, who knows?
 
A thought just struck me, as I was reading Gewehr's post. While paraffin is a petroleum by-product, I'm thinking if there was any actual petroleum left in it, it wouldn't be approved for food contact. Or am I overlooking something?
 
paraffin wax does not make a good lube with black powder. You might not notice it as much with a pistol, but in muskets and rifles you will definatly see more leading in your barrel and your fouling will be hard and cake'y. Bees Wax and crisco will keep your fouling soft, and you'll have little to No leading in your barrel.

If you look at SPG or any other comercial "BLACK POWDER" lube you will find none are made with paraffin, But All are made with Bees wax. Yes Bees Wax cost more but it also works as a lube, I dought SPG would be so popular if it were made with inferior waxes like paraffin.

50/50 Bees wax and Crisco (Olive Oil, or any other natural cooking oil may be used inplace of Crisco).

This is the best home made lube I have found in 15 years.

N-SSA Member
 
Maybe that's the important distinction...

It's a poor lube for BP, but perhaps in the short length of a cap n' ball pistol, it's out the muzzle before it can really gum things up?

I won't ever use paraffin wax again in my Sharps, nor my Hawken. I've got a bunch of real beeswax for those guns now, and have learned my lesson - albeit the hard way. :eek:
 
Like I said you might not notice it in your pistol, but I sure did.
I tried paraffin /crisco 1 time, it wasnt lube (to me), hard as heck and glogged the bore of my 1858. Also, for some reason I cant explane, when melted together it looked fine, but when it cooled it separated and was not consistant. the paraffin and crisco didnt bond like it should.

But dont take my word for it, try it your self. Make a small batch and use it on your next shooting outing. It wont "HURT" your gun, but you will notice the differance and you probably wont try it again.

I even tried bacon fat and paraffin.........the ants loved it! but my gun hated it.

If you as me 50/50 Beeswax/Criso will be my answer everytime

Bore butter is nice, but to loose, to expencive and wont hold up on a hot July day.
 
My aforementioned nasty fouling mess...

was a combination of paraffin wax, lard, and Crisco. I believe the brand of paraffin wax was Gulf Brand, I got it from my mom's stash that she normally used for her freezer jam.

Now I use beeswax, lard, and Crisco. The blend is soft enough to go through my Lyman 45 lubrisizer, and I can cut lube pills with a punch after I pour a thin sheet of the stuff and let it harden. I have a pronounced lube star on the rifle's muzzle after just one round fired, and the BP fouling inside stays nice and soft.
 
But dont take my word for it, try it your self. Make a small batch and use it on your next shooting outing. It wont "HURT" your gun, but you will notice the differance and you probably wont try it again.
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RjsSixgun...ya really ought read the whole thread before making statements about something you haven't tried, instead of having us try something you made a mess with.

The waxes carry the lube with I use that is Olive/Soy Oil Bolwax or Beeswax work just fine along with parafin to not only carry the lube but stiffen the Pills in 115F degree climates...you take a pill with crisco mix it'll last maybe 10-15 minutes out of a cooler. My lube pills last all day no problem no waxing of the barrels from 4 5/8" to 12" barrels fouling stays soft, barrels clean. A patch will clean the barrel with no wax residue.
So why do people try to find something wrong with what one does and gives freely to anyone that wants it...what the hell is wrong with people lately.
Why do I even bother. Open yur damn minds and maybe just maybe your hearts will follow.

Later Forum, I'll be at Voy.com/60048/

Smokin' Gun
BPR Admin
 
Same to you Smokin_Gun, you should read befor you write!

Like I said earlier, "you might not notice it in your pistol" key words

and yes I have tried it.....you would have noticed that too, if you read better, but you didnt.

No big deal

but thanks for jumping down my throat

your way works for you, and my way works for me......Correct??

so who is wong? I dont see that anyone is wrong. do you?

Maybe you should write to SPG and tell them there totally wrong about there lube too............
 
My Lube Pills are strictly for revolvers... If you think I jumped down your throat you are mistaken...but I am about to though. So I'm gonna **** before I do and suggest you do the same before we both get banned.

Thanks a Bunch,

SG
 
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Still dont see any reason..............but hey its forgotton

and as for ****??? well that's just not civil. Unless I'm wrong and that is a sign of friendship. Then please excuse me. Thank you, **** to you too. My age prevents me from keeping up with all the latest internet lingo.

But honestly, I enjoyed you meathod of cutting your pills, I found it interesting. I like lube pills and lubed wads, both meathods work. I am glad that you found your proven method, as did I.

Good luck with your Pistol shooting. My you have many X rings in your future.
 
We call 'em ''grease cookies'' and use them in our .45-70's.Mines an 1884 trapdoor I down load to approximate the original carbine load,and my buddy uses them in his original catridge conversion Shaps.
 
bhp fan--- are you not talking about a wax disc between two cardboard discs for using in your trapdoor.
 
BHP FAN
Yup they are also known to me as Grease Cookies and work well in Trap Doors with out Waxin' the barrels usin' a specific recipe. They work in Front Stuffers too in a paper cartridge if done right. Fill the barrels with scaldin' hot soapy water and scrub with a tigon tube hooked to the Cone in a bucket of same scaldin' water and scrub with a nylon shotgun brush and it all but drys itself clean form the heat. No resdidue...
I like the cookie/pills and know how to make as now I know you do...I don't feel so all alone thanks...HeeHee!


SG
 
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We call 'em ''grease cookies'' and use them in our .45-70's.
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BHP FAN,
Yup they are also known to me as Grease Cookies and work well in Trap Doors with out Waxin' the barrels usin' a specific recipe. They work in Front Stuffers too in a paper cartridge if done right. Fill the barrels with scaldin' hot soapy water and scrub with a tygon tube hooked to the Cone in a bucket of same scaldin' water and scrub with a nylon shotgun brush and it all but drys itself clean from the heat. No resdidue...
I like the cookie/pills and know how to make as now I know you do...I don't feel so all alone thanks...HeeHee!


Smokin' Gun
 
If I had to break down my recipe for grease cookies,I'd guess it to be about 70% beeswax,20% Crisco,5% Bore Butter.It's hard to be precise,because I ''fine tune'' [mess with] the mix until it has just the right color,smell,and consistancy.I pour the melted mix into a pie pan [Marie Calender's Lemon Merange works best] until it's about 1/4 to 5/16'' deep.Let cool.Then I use my home made cartridge case/cookie punch to make my ''cookies'' with.
 
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