Lubes ( An endorsement)

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Since the talk often turns to the best lube for the job...I may have been selected to test the answer to that question in the form of a small batch of an as yet unmarketed lubricant that arrived in a freebie package from Dave Berryhill of Berryhill Custom Guns.

Now...everybody kinda knows that I'm not much for new gadgets...and that applies to the miraculous new Wunderlubes that have been makin' their debut of late. Me? If it's oil, it's oil. Slap it on. :D

Oh...I tried a few of the new goops that promised to slick'em up to the point of defying the laws of physics, and while they all lubricated...I felt that they were pretty much another gimmick that the marketeers would use to convince us that we always needed it...but just didn't know it yet.

Along with a beautifully finished wide-spur hammer and sear for me to put through the wringer to see what they'll stand...there was a small, capped tub of a strange-lookin' and stranger-feelin' reddish/purplish goop with a hand-written name on the top of the cap..."Gun-Goo." (Cute)

Day before yesterday, with "Okay, Dave...Impress me" still fresh on my lips, I went out to the little shop of horrors that I laughingly refer to as my workshop...thoroughly degreased two of my more tightly-fitted beaters...and applied a little "Gun-Goo" to the rails and a light smear to the disconnector rail and barrel OD, up at the muzzle.

The first thing that I noticed was that the gun immediately felt smoother. No surprise there. It's grease. That's what it's supposed to do. Then I tried to wipe it off of my fingers...and no matter how hard I wiped, my fingers stayed slick. They were still slick at bedtime last night, in spite of the fact that I use Dawn dishwashing liquid for most of my hand-washing chores.

Yesterday, I took the pistols to the range for a 500-round workout. The guns were noticeably smoother when functioning, and at roughly the halfway point in the session...they felt like they started to ride on ball-bearings.

When I got home to wipe and clean...the stuff was still on the rails, and the steel felt like it had been coated with a thin film of teflon. I sprayed my usual carb cleaner spritz...wiped and brushed to remove the carbon gunk that cast bullet shooters know and love...and the stuff was STILL there, and still made the steel feel like a goose-greased doorknob, even though I couldn't visually detect any remaining lube. Since I used only a tiny amount, as per Dave's instructions...a 2-ounce tub of the stuff will last me well into the next decade.

Okay, Dave. So far, I'm impressed...and that ain't a small feat. The next phase will tell the tale. I intend to run the guns dry for the next range session...probably the middle of next week...and we'll just see how it holds up, buddy. :D

FWIW, my pistols will run well when they're dry, and though I always put a few drops on'em after the cleanup following each session, I don't normally re-oil on range day...which can be up to a week later. By the time the usual extended sessions are done, the oil has pretty much turned into a thick, carbon-based slurry...what little of it there is left...and even though the guns don't stop, they do start to feel a little sluggish by the time I get'em home. This time was different. If anything, they felt smoother during hand-cycling than they did when the "Gun-Goo" was fresh.

I'll report back on the performance during the upcoming "Run'em Dry" session, along with a later report on the hammer and sear.
 
I feel like such a complacent, sheepish toolbox for saying this, but...


If Tuner says it is good stuff, sign me up. :eek:




:uhoh: :uhoh:
 
Sheepish

Well...At this point, it's still in the testing phase, and not ready to market just yet. I agreed to be a test mule for the lube and for the hammer and sear set to provide feedback for dave, so he can determine if it's worth messin' with.

So far, I like what I...feel...but the endurance test will prove the puddin'...and I fully intend to put the lube, and the fire control parts to the test...and I promise not to be gentle.

At this point...if the cast hammer survives my wrath for 10,000 rounds, I'll give it a passin' grade. :p
 
Update

Yesterday...

Wiped off all visible Gun-Goo with a dry paper towel and fired 252 rounds per gun. No problems. When I got back and stripped'em, the stuff STILL felt slippery in the rails.

Methinks we're onto somethin' here...:scrutiny:
 
My favorites are M-Pro7, Slide Glide, and Gun Butter in no particular order, still sorting that out. I put Slide Glide on the sear/hammer, barrel lugs & top of mainspring pin regardless of lube elsewhere.). How do these compare to this new stuff and have you used those at all?
 
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Have used Slide Glide and Gun Butter. The gun seems to feel sluggish with Slide Glide in cold weather. The Gun Butter is smooth, but for pure stickin' to the rails, it can't touch this stuff. Haven't tried it on the sear and hammer hooks yet.
 
Please keep us updated.

I prefer to use grease on my handguns as it doesn't "creep" like oil and stain my clothes while CCWing. This stuff sounds like a bell-ringer. Please let us know when and under what label it will be sold, when you find out.
 
The gun seems to feel sluggish with Slide Glide in cold weather

Yes it does. I have not tried "Slide Glide Light". It may be just right. Let us know how the new stuff works out. Sounds good so far.
 
Walkalong, it depends on how tight the gun is and how cold it gets before slide-glide light gets sluggish. I have one VERY tight Limited gun, it won't run below about 50* with it, failures are ALWAYS first shot failures and if I remember to cycle the slide a few times before loading it will run down into the 30's. Reliability is more important to me, so below about 50* I run oil, either FP10 (because it smells good) or Mobil 1 5w-30 (because it is cheap). Both work really well.

Tuner, ice those guns down next time you put a fresh batch on them. See what it does when the gun is 35-45*. Then shoot the dog piddle out of them, get a slide too hot to touch by a good bit. I am curious to see what it does in the cold and also what it does when it gets really hot. If it stays put and runs good in both conditions put me down for a couple tubs. Shoot, even if it doesn't run cold but stays right where I put it with a 250* gun I am going to be all over this stuff!!!
 
Interesting. I'm still running good ol' LSA. :uhoh: I've got some FP10, militec(?) and of course CLP. Just stuck with the LSA though... can't stand the smell of CLP and haven't tested out the FP10 or militec yet.
 
Anyone shared with you how to take it all off?
I ask that for refinishing purposes. Something so slick that does not rub off could cause some aggravation for someone trying to refinish or change the finish on a weapon.
 
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HSMITH wrote:

>Tuner, ice those guns down next time you put a fresh batch on them. See what it does when the gun is 35-45*.<
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Did that. I store my pistols in an unheated shop. It got down to about
25 degrees the night before the frist test...and I always shoot my pistols hot.
Three magazines, and only go dry to slidelock on the last one.

mpthole...LSA is my go-to lube for all reasons and all seasons. Good stuff.;)

txgho1911...That's my next test, right after I shoot the pistols again without re-applying the lube. Was plannin' for Thursday, but it looks like the weather is gonna rain on my parade.
 
Am I the only one waiting with gleefull anticipation on this one?
( impatiently may be a better description ) Come on Tuner. We are in suspense here.:)
 
Lubricant, Small Arms (I think)

Nope its not a grease. Its been around forever. Here's a link. You might be able to find it cheaper elsewhere. I'm not endorsing that vendor, its just the first decent link I found after a Google search.
 
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Thanks,
Late to the party, I guess.
The only military lube I'm familiar with is the sticky brown grease that I use on my Garand.
Not the same stuff, I suppose.
 
Is this LSA stuff the same thing that Tuner's talking about testing or diff ??
 
f4t9r, no not the LSA stuff

Product Tuner and DB of berryhillguns.com are testing is some sort of grease.

I'm still in the testing phase for the new lube. I want to make sure that it really works well under different conditions before I put my name on it plus I have to purchase it in pretty large quantities so if it doesn't work out, I don't want to be stuck with all that grease!

When I asked 1911Tuner to test it, I didn't know he was going to publish his results. The "Gun Goo" name was kind of a joke but I have a feeling that it might be too late to change it! If I decide to market the stuff, I don't expect to start selling it for at least another month or two.

I sent an email checking on it :) thats what I got.
 
Note to self:

Check on 1911 that is off site and not been looked at in 18 months along with other guns.

Find out if anyone else has cleaned any of the 1911 "we use".
[I know I have not, I don't own a cleaning rod, much less a cleaning kit that I know of].

See how the 1911 9x23 race gun is holding up using Dexcron II Transmisson fluid, all I had at the time and I have only shot ~ 2K round and not cleaned it...didn't look like anyone else had either.

Ballistol, Singer Sewing Machine Oil (tin can) Browning Gun Oil in a Tin can, Hoppe's Lubricating oil (tin can) and LSA is what all I have been using except when all I had was RIG +P and STOH that day for two of the guns...
Those two got snowed on and being a nice guy and all I at least took them apart, looked at them, put the grease on them, went back out and shot some more...
"These got snowed on - somebody might want to check..." At least I tossed a note in with the guns when I tossed them (literally) into the safe.

Gee....bone stock guns just run, and run and run and run...

I ever mention I used Tabasco sauce on one one time? Yeah well I put Dexcron ATF in the empty Tabasco sauce bottles and ...err...just grabbed a bottle and lubed.

Gun run, so didn't worry about it. ATF is not good on Chicken Wangs...FWIW.

Don't ask me how how times I have had to use ATF off my / a transmission dip stick when I needed lube.

I just up show to shoot the durn things...snag one to CCW...whatever ammo is in the mag(s) or handy from a coffee can, I load a mag with.

The new Springfield is still running one guy dropped off...we never even cleaned the factory lube out of it.
"Here, y'all shoot this one anyway ya want".
All we have done is shoot it, and drop whatever lube handy in it from time to time...since July of 2005.

It still goes bang every time...why mess with what works?
One of these days maybe someone will take that one apart and clean it.
Not me of course, I don't own a cleaning rod/ kit , I alway seem to forget where we keep the ones [cleaning kits] with the guns too

I finally turned into my Mentors - no wonder they grinned as they did all the time.

:D
 
Gun Goo Update

After the initial test phase, I came home and gave the pistols a cursory dry cleaning. I wiped the Goo out of the frame rails with a dry shop towel, and left'em dry...but the stuff held on. When the guns were reassembled, they still felt smooth.

A third control pistol was more thoroughly cleaned with brake cleaner in order to remove the lube completely, and re-oiled with LSA. It was slick/smooth enough, as normal...but nothing even close to the feel provided by Berryhill's experimental lube. I can't really call it grease, because it's not exactly a grease...but I can't simply call it lube either...and it's surely not oil by the loosest definition of the word. So, I guess all I can call it is...Goo.:cool:

Good stuff.
 
I am like a two year old.:cuss: I want it, it's mine, if you have it and I want it it is mine. If I gave it to you and I want it back it's mine. ( I didn't give it to you) But I want it.:banghead:
 
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