M-1 Carbines in Korea: Will some come back with new Admin?

[peacebutready]

The ban on Russian imports has been an off-and-on evolution as well.

We have to remember that there are several bans, and not a singular sweeping ban.

Is there a current ban to bring in the Mosin Nagant rifles from Russia that didn't exist a few years ago?

Is there also a current ban to bring in the corrosive 7.62X54R the Mosin shoots? The price went up drastically in recent times.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

[snark] What, HPA? USA join the list of countries (Britain, France, Finland) that treat silencers as practically unregulated accessories like scopes and slings? Congress wrote that law based on ... gangster movies? The dedicated Congressional anti-gunners won't give an inch on (un)reasonable, common (non)sense gun regulations. [/snark]

 

[alsaqr]

There is no so called "executive order" on M1 carbines from Korea. There are no "executive orders" pertaining to gun control, period.

No "executive order" is required. The "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA 1968 is cited and there are no more imports. Example: The Bush I ban on importation of 41 semi-automatic rifles.

 

[Art Eatman]

For all that I'd like to see an end to bans of any imports, let's face it: This country has serious problems which make such things as these imports to be really trivial. There are only so many hours in a decision-making day...

 

[Dog Soldier]

There was more to the firearms import debates. The Democrats were supported by the UAW/United Auto Workers Union. They controlled Colt and other American Arms companies labor contracts. Union members feared the mass importation of Milsurp would cost Union jobs. That likely had more to do with Clinton's ASWB then the courts.

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/10/11/nyregion/after-8-months-uaw-sees-shift-in-colt-strike.html

 

[P5 Guy]

I don't see The Donald allowing any Chinese stuff in. Russian stuff on the other hand, we could see that if Putin wants it to happen.

PPSh41 parts kits?

 

[Sunray]

The Chinese ban started with Clinton wanting to pretend he was doing something about Chinese human rights. And it was Chinese made Norinco M305 and Polytech M-14S', et al. That aren't $400 anymore.
The ban on Russian imports was an agreement between the U.S. and Russian governments not to flood the U.S. with cheap(primarily AK's) rifles
I suspect hdwhit is correct. The Donald tends to speak without thinking and without knowing what he's talking about. Our Trudeau Junior does the same thing, but without any kind of experience doing anything. He just tries to baffle brains with his bs.
Very much doubt any firearms legislation is high on The Donald's priority list.

 

[Sistema1927]

I was stationed in the ROK 83-84. The police were carrying those carbines. Even then they looked pretty ratty.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Sunray,I doubt you really understand U.S. gun politics. The NRA is a very powerful political voice in th U.S. Trump ask for and received the support of the NRA. He will support positive gun control reforms.
Your comparison of our new President to your leaders is ridiculous. I really think your negative remarks about our choice of leaders is offensive. Hell he has not yet been sworn in. Do you realize you are putting down the millions of progun activist who supported Mr. Trump.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Checking my archives:
Jung Sung-ki, "US opposes Seoul’s bid to sell old rifles", Korea Times, 12 Aug 2010
"The U.S. government is opposing Korea’s bid to sell thousands of aging U.S. combat rifles to American gun collectors."
The South Korean Ministry of National Defense "announced the plan last September [2009] as part of efforts to boost its defense budget, saying the export of the M1 Garand and carbine rifles would start by the end of 2009. The U.S. administration put the brakes on the plan, citing "problems" that could be caused by the importation of the rifles."
"A total of 86,000 M1 rifles and another 22,000 carbines were to be sold, as the weapons have been mothballed for about five decades in military warehouses. The per-unit price of the M1 rifle is about $220 and the carbine is more than $140, according to the ministry."
The total number of M1 Carbines supplied to South Korea during and after the Korean War was cited as 700,000 over 10% of the total 6.5 million made. Mostly M1s, some M2s and some M1s with T17 or T18 conversion kits making them select fire. The announcemnet of the plan to export to the US and subsquent stop cited 22,000 carbines, not the whole shebang. The sales were held up because the US government, while initially OKing M1 Garands, described the M1 carbines as assault weapons, easily converted to full auto and feared they would fall in the hands of terrorists or cause accidents. Then the question came up whether the South Korean government owned the guns and was in a position to sell them to US importers, or if the guns technically were military assistance on loan and actually US government property.

 

[CoalTrain49]

I thought there was an executive order preventing them from being imported.

As one poster noted above, they're likely to be in shabby condition.

I had one that came from Korea. All it needed was a new barrel. When you consider the receivers are selling for $300 plus I would say the rifles are still worth a few bucks if for nothing but parts. There's $500 there in parts alone in one of those imports. Sold mine for $650 last year. There are several companies that piece together a shooter and sell them for $1200. Mostly none left because the USGI parts supply has dried up. I still have 6 digit Inland with a good barrel and it's not going anywhere.

 

[CapnMac]

Congress wrote that law based on ... gangster movies?

No on the "advice" of BLM and similar agencies who were convinced that hobos were poaching in National Parks. And since hobos were clearly of "inferior" races, anything that disarmed the was a greater good.

NFA was passed in 1934, 2-3 years after the heyday of the "interstate" robbers; the 21st Amendment had ended Prohibition the year before. The original goal of NFA 34 was to ban all handguns. Or any conversion of a long arm to short (hence the SBR & SBS provisions). Congress had spent enormous political capital, and needed to show something, anything for it. Which is why it seems so perverse and convoluted today.

 

[boom boom]

Here is a pretty good story on this issue. https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/m1-rifle-antique-south-korea-import/
Summary,
There are both Garands and Carbines involved.

Federal laws are involved that ban reimporting U.S. made military small arms unless they are over 50 years old and the State Dept. approves. Obama's State Dept. did not approve so no imports.

 

[BrocLuno]

Even if they were lifted at the federal level, they won't be allowed into the Peoples Republic of California ... Possible biggest market is off-limits

 

[Laphroaig]

Does anybody know the reason these rifles aren't eligible to be sold through the CMP?

My recollection is that S. Korea actually owns them, and therefore the CMP is out of the picture. If they were in fact loaned to Korea, the CMP could receive them via the military similar to the Greek M1's. And the Italian M1 Carbines

 

[Acera]

Does anybody know the reason these rifles aren't eligible to be sold through the CMP?

My recollection is that S. Korea actually owns them, and therefore the CMP is out of the picture. If they were in fact loaned to Korea, the CMP could receive them via the military similar to the Greek M1's. And the Italian M1 Carbines

First the Koreans own them and want to sell them. They want cash for them. So CMP out of picture. The CMP is not allowed to import surplus military rifles.

For the CMP to get them, they have to have been loaned to the Koreans and then returned to DoD control. The DoD then can give them to the CMP to be distributed.

Read the CMP forums, they have said since day one that those and the Garands will not be something they can ever get.


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[Carl N. Brown]

That is a surprisingly balanced article, https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/m1-rifle-antique-south-korea-import/ , considering the source: The Trace was funded by Everytown for Gun Safety (Michael Bloomberg) 19 Jun 2015 devoted gun-related news on the theme of US gun violence.
Korea started the process to export the M1s in 2007; 2009 the Executive Branch was OK with the imports; nixed in 2010 saying the carbines could be exploited for illicit purposes; then 2011 the State Dept began negotiation import the Korean held M1 Garands only. Then Aug 2013 Obama signed an executive order banning reimportation of the M1s: “This new policy will help keep military-grade firearms off our streets.”