peacebutready
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There's a large amount of M-1 Carbines in Korea that I believe our importers cannot bring back. What's the chance of that changing with the new administration?
M-1 Carbines in Korea: Will some come back with new Admin?
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kBob
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Chance? Let's just say if I were still a gambling type I would not put money on it. Oh, I can hope, wish and dream and would be happy if the new administration granted all, some, few or even any of our gun wishes....but I would not today put money on it.
Me I want rifles from Red China like the little BRNO clone JG15 back....and reasonable SKS rifles (maybe even a purpose built with new semi receiver T64/68) Chinese Maks.
....and suppressors moved to title 1 naturally.
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Me I want rifles from Red China like the little BRNO clone JG15 back....and reasonable SKS rifles (maybe even a purpose built with new semi receiver T64/68) Chinese Maks.
....and suppressors moved to title 1 naturally.
-kBob
lemaymiami
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For what it's worth folks that know a bit about carbines (and imports) have said on more than one occasion (on dedicated carbine sites that I visit regularly) that most of what you might get from Korea today are not likely to be worth much.... Surplus carbine stocks most have seen are in such poor condition (with stock metal badly rusted, etc.) that recent wood carbine imports are described as only fit for kindling wood.... Hope I'm wrong and we get to see for ourselves.
greyling22
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I agree with kbob. Roll back the Norinco ban. I want those $150 sks' and $450 m1's.
NeuseRvrRat
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peacebutready
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That would be sweet. I think retailers would demand more than $150 for a SKS, though. I didn't know Norinco made M1s.
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peacebutready
Don't ever recall seeing any Chinese made M1 rifles. I think greyling22 may have been referring to the Norinco M14 copy (semi-auto only), they use to make and was sold here in the U.S. before the import ban.
Don't ever recall seeing any Chinese made M1 rifles. I think greyling22 may have been referring to the Norinco M14 copy (semi-auto only), they use to make and was sold here in the U.S. before the import ban.
tark
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Two chances....slim and none. But you never know. Trump strikes me as someone who knows how to collect his fecal material into one centralized location. We'll see.
If the M1 carbines we could get back from Korea are in the same shape as the Korean ex-pat M1 Garand I got some years ago, they will require a complete rebuild. My Garand would shoot minute of basketball. After a new barrel, new wood and refinishing, it looks like new.
Panzerschwein
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Those M1s'll be thrashed. If you want new, get one of the new Inlands.
CapnMac
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Well, the incoming administration, unlike the Clinton one, will be unlikely to block or interfere should the Korean Military care to sell its surplus inventory in the US.
Now, whether ROK still has any weapons to sell remains a question with little answer.
The Chinese ban started with the AWB, but was reinstated due to PRC provocations and intrigues.
The ban on Russian imports has been an off-and-on evolution as well.
We have to remember that there are several bans, and not a singular sweeping ban.
Now, whether ROK still has any weapons to sell remains a question with little answer.
The Chinese ban started with the AWB, but was reinstated due to PRC provocations and intrigues.
The ban on Russian imports has been an off-and-on evolution as well.
We have to remember that there are several bans, and not a singular sweeping ban.
Carl N. Brown
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About 1990 I bought a surplus M1 Carbine imported from South Korea by Blue Sky. Typical US arsenal MixMaster rebuilt 1943 IBM with later spec parts: adjustable sight, band with bayonet lug, and three nib magazine catch for 30 shot magazine, but the original IBM barrel and IBM's stamped and brazed magazine housing. Paid $225 for it. The stock that came with it was a bulky M2 style that I believe was made in Korea from some weird Asian wood unlike anything I have seen on standard GI carbines. Metal finish was a fresh job of grey Parkerizing.
Off the bench and sandbags it can stay in the 6" black of a standard 100 yd target with iron sights; can't say I do that off hand. I had a scope on it for a while and it would do 3" at 100 yards with commercial Winchester ammo, or minute of coyote or groundhog. I shoot it in the military matches at the local club; when I started I used it for vintage and modern, 60 rounds a match, 7 matches for a season, 420 rounds a year, then was gifted a Yugo M70AB2 in 2006 which became my moderm military rifle. Shot it since then as my vintage rifle (.30 Carbine ammo aint cheap, so once or twice a year I used a 91/30). Repairs: new recoil spring, new extractor and extractor spring (the old extractor spring had broken in two places causing extraction and ejection problems).
This might not be typical of the 700,000 M1 carbines reported in South Korean inventory, and I suspect they have a lot that were rode hard and put up wet, but who knows. Out of 700,000 there ought to be a few keepers. Just the direct historical connection to the Korean War is a reason.
Off the bench and sandbags it can stay in the 6" black of a standard 100 yd target with iron sights; can't say I do that off hand. I had a scope on it for a while and it would do 3" at 100 yards with commercial Winchester ammo, or minute of coyote or groundhog. I shoot it in the military matches at the local club; when I started I used it for vintage and modern, 60 rounds a match, 7 matches for a season, 420 rounds a year, then was gifted a Yugo M70AB2 in 2006 which became my moderm military rifle. Shot it since then as my vintage rifle (.30 Carbine ammo aint cheap, so once or twice a year I used a 91/30). Repairs: new recoil spring, new extractor and extractor spring (the old extractor spring had broken in two places causing extraction and ejection problems).
This might not be typical of the 700,000 M1 carbines reported in South Korean inventory, and I suspect they have a lot that were rode hard and put up wet, but who knows. Out of 700,000 there ought to be a few keepers. Just the direct historical connection to the Korean War is a reason.
Acera
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I don't see Trump doing much to help Red China in any way. With the Taiwan friction, the issue of the South China sea bases construction, trade issues, etc. I don't think we are going to help them make money. Our relations with the communists will get worse before they get better, just hope we don't lose any American service members in the process.
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You forgot the fact that they are Communist and have no regard for Liberty.
Sebastian the Ibis
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My understanding is that the Korean rifles were indefinitely "loaned" to Korea by Uncle Sugar. Uncle Sugar doesn't care if they never come back, but if a foreign government wants to sell them to U.S. taxpayers, Uncle Sugar would like them back -- or at least get a cut. I don't know what the original deal was, but I am not sure that the incoming administration wants to feel like it was taken advantage of.
Ibmikey
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I doubt any of us are going to be on Trump's advisory board so an intelligent response to your question is an impossibility. Many of the rifles that came from Korea in past years were in poor condition yet had super high prices,, Carbines ( really worn) at Big 5 were about $900.
peacebutready
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I thought there was an executive order preventing them from being imported.
As one poster noted above, they're likely to be in shabby condition.
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peacebutready
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If they actually sold for that much, I'm guessing not too many were imported.
In my opinion, slim to none.
During the campaign, President-Elect Trump promised to riscend EVERY executive order issued by President Obama.
- Do you really think Candidate Trump was intimately familiar with EVERY executive order President Obama issued?
- As a negotiator, Candate Trump was putting forward his opening offer knowing he would have to compromise to get the things he truly wanted.
- Building a wall/fence along the border with Mexico,
- Reversing the executive order regarding the so-called "dreamers", or
- Altering the TPP.
Before we wrap ourselves too tightly in the flag, keep in mind that it was recently revealed the Chicago police were operating their own "black site" where they could make people "disappear". It's hard to impugn someone else's regard for "liberty" when we've got a major American actively depriving people of their own liberty.
We need to focus on our own government's savage curtailment of our own liberties rather than congratulating ourselves that we're not as bad off as some other people.
Phaedrus/69
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I don't see The Donald allowing any Chinese stuff in. Russian stuff on the other hand, we could see that if Putin wants it to happen.
Old Dog
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Even if some of these bans are rolled back ... it's pretty apparent that the importers and the distributors have long since figured out there's serious profit to be made in the mil-surp market, so I'll go out on a limb and say we'd not see any of the sort of deals our dads got back in the '50s and '60s ... It'd be a lot of seriously overpriced junk in poor condition that would make one of the new Inland M-1 replicas look like the Holy Grail ...
Trump is an opportunist who isn't particularly interested in the Second Amendment. In the past, he's favored assault weapons bans, and during election season he agreed with Hilary in restricting firearm purchases from those on the No Fly List.
I doubt we'll see much pro-gun activity from Trump unless he gets something out of it or can use it to tweak someone's nose. He won't go out of his way to block imports, but I don't think he will go out of his way to let them back in unless he can crow about it. Which, he very well might.
His presidency hasn't even begun, but already he's being antagonistic towards China and curiously friendly towards Russia. Based on that alone, it seems unlikely that restrictions on Chinese firearms and ammo will be lifted.
If Bill Clinton's VRA with Russia gets trashed, though, we'll see some absolutely amazing stuff.
Don Jr. is also a wildcard in this. He's a big time hunter and shooter. If he calls up Papa Trump with some ideas, who knows what will happen?
I doubt we'll see much pro-gun activity from Trump unless he gets something out of it or can use it to tweak someone's nose. He won't go out of his way to block imports, but I don't think he will go out of his way to let them back in unless he can crow about it. Which, he very well might.
His presidency hasn't even begun, but already he's being antagonistic towards China and curiously friendly towards Russia. Based on that alone, it seems unlikely that restrictions on Chinese firearms and ammo will be lifted.
If Bill Clinton's VRA with Russia gets trashed, though, we'll see some absolutely amazing stuff.
Don Jr. is also a wildcard in this. He's a big time hunter and shooter. If he calls up Papa Trump with some ideas, who knows what will happen?
carbine85
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I actually got a couple of nice M1 and Carbines back in those days.
I'm sure the NRA will bring up they topic. Trump could easily undo the import bans.
Wait and see.
I'm sure the NRA will bring up they topic. Trump could easily undo the import bans.
Wait and see.
dbmjr1
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While I don't think that President Trump is overly concerned with gun rights, I do believe he's beholding to the NRA, and will honor that debt. Without the endorsement of the NRA he would not have been elected.
So, look to the priorities of the NRA to see what President Trump will do.
I think we'll see the 'Hearing Protection Act' get signed, if we can get it through congress. It's going to take a lot of arm twisting to accomplish that. So many RINO's.
More importantly, look to the Supreme Court Appointment to be a friend of the Second Amendment. This is, and should be, the main focus of gun owners and the NRA.
So, look to the priorities of the NRA to see what President Trump will do.
I think we'll see the 'Hearing Protection Act' get signed, if we can get it through congress. It's going to take a lot of arm twisting to accomplish that. So many RINO's.
More importantly, look to the Supreme Court Appointment to be a friend of the Second Amendment. This is, and should be, the main focus of gun owners and the NRA.
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