M-1 Paratrooper Carbine

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I'm thinking about getting an M-1 Carbine that shoots a .30 carbine, what I loved most is the folding stock and semi auto capability. Also the $500 price tag wasn't too bad either :D Anyway before I get it I want to know is there some conversion I can do to get it to shoot cheaper cost ammunition (.22lr, 7.62x54, .223) so that I can go plinking with it more often. I'm used to my low cost Mosins where I get a 440 round spam can for $80. Also are there other semi auto carbines shooting cheap ammo in the $500 price range?
 
I am unaware of any conversions for the M1 Carbine. I do have a 10/22 I've rigged up as a mock M1 Carbine (EABCO makes the stock, it fits the basic 10/22 cheapie model)

There are a LOT of other guns in the ~$500 range, do some searching on "pistol caliber carbines" for a start. Among others, Hi-Point and Kel-Tec make pretty good carbines for well under $500, in 9x19, .40s&w and .45acp ... the Kel-Tec folds up to about 16" and can be had in various pistol magazine types, mine eats from Glock 9x19 magazines and doesn't mind cheap ammo, although the manual advises against Al casings and I tend to feed steel-case to other guns, saving the cheapest brass-cased ammo for the sub2000, although it has happily eaten steel a few times with no trouble.

Unless you have a specefic reason to pick up an antique, I'd imagine that stocking .30carbine ammo would be more trouble than you want. It isn't reliably available in many places, runs about the same as .45acp for pricing if you buy in bulk, and doesn't kill paper any deader than .22lr if your goal is plinking.
 
Another vote for the 10/22. You can set one up to look and feel a lot like an M1 Carbine complete with peep-sights and sling, I think.

Both rifles are way fun, too.
 
The only other caliber for an M1 carbine is the 5.7 Johnson. Strictly a handloading situation and much more expensive than .30 cal carbine. Get the (milspec)carbine,and don't look back. Magazines are cheap and ammo (for now) is readily available,especially in a commercial load. It makes an excellent HD weapon as well as a very fun plinker. FWIW,a military M1 carbine is C&R eligible.
 
It does serve another purpose as a bug out weapon since it's lighter than my shotguns or mosins, I already have a small .22lr rifle and plinking is great with this gun but I'd never trust it for hd unless it was the closest. I think I'll look into more pistol caliber carbines. I go by what's at my gun shop mostly since they have decent prices and it saves me from waiting on shipping to an fll dealer and getting to inspect the gun myself. I guess you could call it an "antique" but for me I love my mosins which are all considerably older but pack a nice punch
 
M-1 Paratrooper Carbine

If you are getting an original for that price, sell it for the $1,500.00 it's worth and buy what you want. :)

If it's a GI M1 in one of those Italian stocks, sell the stock for $200.00 and the action/barrel for $400.00 and get a S&W AR-15.

If it's not one of those two, (Universal) you are getting ripped off. :(
 
The M1 Carbine is a fantastic weapon, and I love the one I got from the CMP. Ammo is not hard for me to find, and costs about $20 for a box of 50 FMJs.
Having said that, one of the best deals in firearms right now is the Saiga 5.45 rifle...$350 for the Saiga, and $300 delivered for 2160 rounds of surplus ammo.
 
Is the Italian stock the hard abs plastic type? It appears to be an original m1 based on the wear on it but I know the stock is not from WW11 since it's not the wire kind. If it is a universal what would you pay for it since the prices aren't set in stone at my gun shop and I usually have a little wiggle room :)
 
Iver-Johnson made a 9MM conversion from a M-1 carbine--it used Browning P-35 Mag 9MM
As Johnson is no longer in business -- it will be hard to find one.
 
If you are getting an original for that price, sell it for the $1,500.00 it's worth and buy what you want. :)

If it's a GI M1 in one of those Italian stocks, sell the stock for $200.00 and the action/barrel for $400.00 and get a S&W AR-15.

If it's not one of those two, (Universal) you are getting ripped off. :(
Universal=rip off X2

I was suckered in by a backwoods dealer in KY. Piece of crap.
 
JRT is right as usual. I have witnessed a few Universals run fine and a few that did not.

Ari, the Italian copy has shiny rivets and a couple of more differences that don't come to mind. :)

Only way I'd buy a Universal would be if it came with a money back warranty or I could shoot it first.
 
Nothing is cheap with M1 carbines, even the post war copies cost a lot to feed. They are fun plinkers just don't expect moa accuracy from them.

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M1 Carbines are fun and practical, and the Italian replica stocks are fine. When I got mine it was stained but not finished. A few coats of tung oil fixed that. I do plan to replace the barrel band spring, which is not in spec. This is my 1943 Underwood in a replica stock, plus Ultimak and Bushnell TRS-25.

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Stick with a USGI Carbine or maybe a new Kahr, which will have a warranty. An early Planfield or Iver Johnson may be OK or may not be. E.g., I had an IJ back in the 80s which needed to go back to the factory because the bolt wasn't properly heat treated and the lugs peened. Avoid the Universals, especially those with two recoil springs; they don't accept GI parts and Universal parts are hard to find.

I have three GI Carbines, all of which run smoothly with either Ball or Remington 110 grain JSPs. For cheap shooting you'll have to reload.

I tried a couple boxes of Wolf in this Underwood. It functioned OK but was underloaded compared with US made ammo. It also cause the chamber to get very dirty which can lead to extraction issues if you switch back to brass cased ammo without cleaning.
 
If you really want the carbine I would highly recommend that you start reloading. The .30 carbine ammo can be hard to come by and at times a bit pricey. Pick up a loading manual and a how to book on loading first, read it cover to cover, post any questions on our reloading forum. After that, pick up a press, powder thrower, scale (I highly recommend a digital scale, but it isn't necessary), digital calipers, dies, case trimmer and a tumbler (you can buy a vibratory parts cleaner from harbor freight at a reasonable price compared to many dedicated brass tumblers and the digital calipers can be purchased from them as well for around $10-$12 on sale). If you shop around you can buy everything, brand new, for under $300.

After that look over the loading manual and online forums to see what is recommended for bullets, powder and bullets. For the sake of economy I would recommend that you pick up lead bullets and start with some H-110 powder. You can't drive the lead bullets too fast without leading but it'll be fast enough to plink and kill just about any varmint you want.

As for a conversion I'm not aware of any. If you must have a .22 caliber M-1, Erma made a .22lr version of the M-1 (it was also marked as an Iver Johnson). They can be hard to find at times but they are a dead ringer for the original. I own one and it even weighs the same as the original.
 
Thanks guys for all the feedback, after looking at it a lot more today I decided it was probably a copy and decided against it. I'll just hold onto my money until another gun is ridiculously low priced(12ga sears & roebuck screw adjustable choke 5 mag $75:D) or just too good of a deal to pass up. I'm really starting to think reloading mught be wise since my Mosins love being fired so much and I'd prefer to reload some rounds myself since the lacquered mil surplus love to coat my gun after 60 or so rounds.
 
Ari,

Probabaly best you past, but if it is a folding stock, and an Itilain reproduction, they are quite nice and as pointed out, if in almost new shape, worth about $200. I had a used one I sold last year for $150.00. The stocks that we are referring to are exact replicas of the WWII USGI version. NO plastic on those. If the one you were looking at had black plastic body to it, that sounds more like a Choate stock or the new Kahr folder (by Choate I believe). They fold to the side and the main body is plastic. Never liked the looks of those.

Yes, Universals can be problematic, you have to know what to look for. I would not buy what I call a "Flat Op Rod" version. That is in the later stages when Universal had changed the recoil system to a dual guide and spring model. You can't readily pull one apart at a gun store to see it, but if you know where the single GI style guide rod and recoil spring are located, and you DON'T see one there, then it is more than likely the dual rod style. Avoid the Flat Op Rod Universals at all costs, unless they are giving you the gun. Known to have cracking issues and reliability issues.

NOW, to add exception to the rule, if you find a carbine and it says "Universal" and it has what looks like a GI slide on it, then those are actually quite good. I still wouldn't pay over $500, but then you were talking about a gun with a $200 stock, so if you deduct that, they were looking for about 300 for the gun. If it was GI style Op rod, I would grab it! I have owned a number of those early Universals and they have all proved to be reliable rifles. Even more so than some Iver Johnsons and Plainfields I have owned.

Today's market, you can probably get a good Universal (GI Op Rod) for under $400. No folding stock, bit then again, MAYBE?

Wouldn't pay over $450 for an Iver Johnson or Plainfield, unless it is one of the stainless steel versions.

Both IJ and Big P made "paratrooper" collapsing stocks for their carbines. Don't let people get crazy with you on those either. Saw a stainless rifle with collapsing stock got for $650 recently and that was probably about right. Blued version should be about $550 or even less if the gun or stock are well used. Word of warning, where the wire stock collapses, at the rear of the main body, the wooden channels that house the wire stock are notorious for cracking. You will find almost all of them have some degree of cracking, from invisible hairline, to chunks missing.

Yeah, except for the 9mm dedicated version as mentioned, there has not been any .22 conversions that I am aware of. Seems to me Ceiner is missing the boat there, as they make a Mini 14 .22 conversion, so not much of a stretch to imagine they could make one for the M1 carbine. With ammo like it is, I think the time is ripe.

Good Luck!
 
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