M&P 2.0 Competitor. If you have done mod's, please share which parts and where you found them.

[gun'sRgood]

I like to do a few mods to this pistol. I don't seem to be having any luck on finding out who makes aftermarket parts and/or if M&P has them for this model. Any direction would be greatly appreciated. Thx.

 

[Tilos]

Here is some triggers:

S&W Metal Frame M&P M2.0 - Pistols - Smith & Wesson®

www.apextactical.com

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[1KPerDay]

What mods do you want?

 

[LV Gun]

Just a suggestion try Springer Precision

 

[redneck]

I was surprised to find Ed Brown sells a lot of M&P parts (and complete guns) when I was shopping for 1911 parts last time. Not sure what you need, but they have a little bit of everything for M&P and M&P 2.0 series.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

Do you own this gun already?

I bought one last December, only made it through about 150 rds, was a major disappointment.
Mine the trigger was awful, gritty staged multiple places was around 6.5 lb, my shield plus has a far superior trigger and it cost twice as less along with other let downs.
It did nothing that the poly version can't do, but cost an extra 400 bucks.

The competitor is NOT a thousand dollar gun, just isn't. A CZ Shadow 2 cost darn near the same and will run circles around the competitor.

That said, Apex tactical just released some trigger parts for the metal guns. According to Randy Lee, owner of Apex, the poly and metal guns are not compatible parts wise across the board.

 

[Steve in NC]

Do you own this gun already?

I bought one last December, only made it through about 150 rds, was a major disappointment.
Mine the trigger was awful, gritty staged multiple places was around 6.5 lb, my shield plus has a far superior trigger and it cost twice as less along with other let downs.
It did nothing that the poly version can't do, but cost an extra 400 bucks.

The competitor is NOT a thousand dollar gun, just isn't. A CZ Shadow 2 cost darn near the same and will run circles around the competitor.

Sir,
I own multiple Gen1 M&Ps along with M2.0 and do on the side gunsmithing work. I have probably done 30-50 triggers on various M&P models. I have not worked on the metal frame guns yet. But I have seen them and it's an M2.0 trigger design in general,

S&W's biggest issue with their triggers right from the factory for the last 5yrs or so is the drop safety plunger. The outside diameters are not smooth but the issue with the geittyness is the chamfer inside the plunger. That sharp edge rides against the plunger return spring that makes it sound like a zipper. That is the grittiness you feel. I can take a stock M2.0 pistol and by swapping out only one of my modified plungers and make a clean breaking 4.5-5# trigger all day long. You don't have to buy any after market parts or kits IMO.
The current M2.0 triggers design is a great trigger in OEM setup if they would spend a little more time to deburr that plunger.

Steve

 

[9mmepiphany]

S&W's biggest issue with their triggers right from the factory for the last 5yrs or so is the drop safety plunger. The outside diameters are not smooth but the issue with the geittyness is the chamfer inside the plunger. That sharp edge rides against the plunger return spring that makes it sound like a zipper.

This is one of those little talked about items outside the industry.

I wondered when Apex Tactical Specialties, introduced their first upgrade part for the M&P, started with the Striker Block. It was such a small part, how much effect could it really have on the trigger. I knew they were on to something when their initial order sold out in a couple of hours. It made a lot more sense when Randy explained to me how it affected the feel of the trigger stroke. And that was the beginning of how Apex Tactical became the leading supplier for upgrade for the S&W M&P.

I'd heard that the 2.0 was a major step up with regards to their factory trigger, I'm a bit surprised that they didn't address the Striker Block. I'm using an original M&P9 (1.0, I guess) and have been very happy with all the Apex Parts I've installed over the years...Forward Set Sear trigger and trigger bar kit and Apex Grade 9mm barrel. I've also installed a 10-8 rear sight paired with a Dawson front fiber optic sight.

It looks like the Competitor has addressed my other concerns with the included base pads and magazine well funnel

 

[Steve in NC]

9mmepiphany,​

Wondering your could do me a favor. Take your Gen1 pistols that have an Apex USB in them and test them for drop safe. Meaning remove the slide and flip it upside down and try to push the striker past the USB. Does your still work. I've seen a total of 4 Gen1 M&Ps that the striker would peen over and very easily override the drop safe plunger. Apex changed the timing a little in their earlier plungers (I do not know if they still use the same dimensions or not). But my original M&P 40c from 2008 era eventually failed this test. I replaced the original striker and within 1700 rds failed again. That is when I started digging and measuring. I removed the Apex plunger as the shelf that hit the USB is about .010 lower than any S&W OEM plunger I have measured. Keep in mind I'm looking at a very small sample here. So I'm not drawing any hard and fast conclusions. But I no longer use Apex plungers and simply polish the OEM plungers. Especially removing the sharp 45 degree chamfered edge down inside the plunger. THAT is where the grittiness comes from. The last 3 or 4 M&Ps I've bought, I brought home, removed the optic ready cover plate, removed the small screw to get to the plunger, pulled out the factory plunger and replaced with one that was polished and bingo. I had a really good trigger at 4#-11oz. After polishing all contact points in the entire trigger system with brwn poilshing compound on a flet wheel, that 100% S&W OEN trigger will break on my gauge at 4#-7oz +- 1 oz every time no with no other changes or modifications.

One thing I would love to have S&W do though (beside deburr that chamber in the plunger) is start selling the PC slide release that has the little extra bulge in it. My 4.6 10mm has it and my new 4" Compact optic ready has it). I would buy one for every one of my M&Ps in a heart beat. But they have stated they do not sell it as a separate part number. My old original 40c slide release is shiny from wear from carrying it concealed and I miss the positive feel of the worn serrations while doing a mag change sometimes. I'm a lefty so I need all the positive grip on the right side release button I can get.

Steve

Attached is a video of the "zipper" affect I'm talking about on customers M2.0 3.6 Compact. Hopefully this video uploads ok. I polished the inside of that plunger and 4.5# smooth break with no other changes. FSS trigger and sear and yellow sear spring and a polish job and that trigger went down to 3# even. Great competition trigger, but no way would I every consider that a EDC trigger. But it was nice!!!

It won't take the video attachment. I'll have to figure out something to get it posted. sorry

 

[Steve in NC]

Here is a picture of my original 2008 striker peened over. I could use finger pressure and push the striker past the Apex USB. Once I removed the Apex USB and replaced it with OEM polished plunger I have close to 20K rounds on that striker. First failure was around 3K rds, 2 nd faillure was within 1700 rds, now I've gone 20K without an issue.

1st pic labled as Plunger Comparison is out of focus. but it shows the difference in the shelf heigh that hit the striker to block it during dropping. Notice how the shelpf on the Apex is abut .010 lower. Also notice the dome profile. This is where I believe the small but subtle timing change took place that caused the striker to hit the plunger when firing that caused the excessive peening.

2nd pic is my original 2008 striker and you can see if peened over the bottom corner. i.e. that lower shelf height.

3rd pic is side by side S&W (left) and Apex USB (R) with a better focus.

FYI: The Ed Brown plunger I purchased was about .010 longer in OAL and would actually cause the trigger bar to bind because the plunger couldn't go any higher. Esentially created and interference fit for the trigger bar. Again I'm only looking at small sample rates here. I'm NOT saying all Apex or EB stuff is junk. But you best pay attention because nobody is perfect.

Steve

 

[9mmepiphany]

Take your Gen1 pistols that have an Apex USB in them and test them for drop safe. Meaning remove the slide and flip it upside down and try to push the striker past the USB. Does your still work.

Interestingly I've heard of this before and had it previously checked, during Safety Inspection, at a Sanctioned Match. It passed then, this was several years ago, but they never fully explained why they were checking.

This got me curious enough to go out to the garage to actually check. Yup, the Striker Block is still functioning and there is no movement when I invert the slide and push on the striker.

My M&P9 and Apex Tactical parts are from 2014

 

[Tilos]

Seems like the OP has not been back here since he started this thread.
So we are just talking amongst ourselves...
JMO,
.

 

[gun'sRgood]

What mods do you want?

There's a stippled pad on older models that now is just a cut-out. I'd like that pad and/or Items like a gas peddle or more stippled/aggressive points of contact.

 

[gun'sRgood]

Just a suggestion try Springer Precision

thx!

 

[gun'sRgood]

What mods do you want?

And... I don't know what's out there to put on the want list. Asking for help with my ignorance. Thx.

 

[gun'sRgood]

Do you own this gun already?

I bought one last December, only made it through about 150 rds, was a major disappointment.
Mine the trigger was awful, gritty staged multiple places was around 6.5 lb, my shield plus has a far superior trigger and it cost twice as less along with other let downs.
It did nothing that the poly version can't do, but cost an extra 400 bucks.

The competitor is NOT a thousand dollar gun, just isn't. A CZ Shadow 2 cost darn near the same and will run circles around the competitor.

That said, Apex tactical just released some trigger parts for the metal guns. According to Randy Lee, owner of Apex, the poly and metal guns are not compatible parts wise across the board.

A have a CZ shadow 2 with the bushing. It is a far superior gun. It cost ~2.5X more than the M&P, I got the M&P cuz I liked the way it looked. I knew the trigger was a heavy sponge before I got it. Hence, I'm here. PS, I'm not a huge fan of this company. But I thought they did a nice job here.

 

[gun'sRgood]

Sir,
I own multiple Gen1 M&Ps along with M2.0 and do on the side gunsmithing work. I have probably done 30-50 triggers on various M&P models. I have not worked on the metal frame guns yet. But I have seen them and it's an M2.0 trigger design in general,

S&W's biggest issue with their triggers right from the factory for the last 5yrs or so is the drop safety plunger. The outside diameters are not smooth but the issue with the geittyness is the chamfer inside the plunger. That sharp edge rides against the plunger return spring that makes it sound like a zipper. That is the grittiness you feel. I can take a stock M2.0 pistol and by swapping out only one of my modified plungers and make a clean breaking 4.5-5# trigger all day long. You don't have to buy any after market parts or kits IMO.
The current M2.0 triggers design is a great trigger in OEM setup if they would spend a little more time to deburr that plunger.

Steve

Dude! You're frek'n Awesome! I'd love to spend a few afternoons with you in your shop! Totally kool! Oh, and this from a 65y/o. But I'd rather a 3 - 2.5# trigger. Not a duty or carry weight.

 

[gun'sRgood]

Seems like the OP has not been back here since he started this thread.
So we are just talking amongst ourselves...
JMO,
.

Yeah, life takes ya on a few paths. But hey, fun hijack of the post!

 

[Gary H]

Perhaps the complaints above are quality control issues and I’m just lucky, or maybe I lack discernment. My Performance Center Shield Plus and M&P 2.0 3.6” compact triggers are much the same. They are far better than I expected. My M&P 2.0 Competitor has a better trigger with a reduced trigger pull. I don’t have much time spent with shooting these guns, so I appreciate the discussion above and will be on the lookout for undetected issue, but for now I don’t intend upon modifying the guns. My, almost newest purchase is the CZ Shadow 2 Compact and it has a wonderful trigger, but being a double/single action hammer fired gun, comparisons with the M&Ps are comparing very different trigger actions. One thing that is easy to compare is reset and the CZ is much better in this respect.

 

[gun'sRgood]

Name dropper. Yeah, my Nighthawk - Chairman of the Board, CZ's, Wilson Combat, Staccato's - XC, P

Perhaps the complaints above are quality control issues and I’m just lucky, or maybe I lack discernment. My Performance Center Shield Plus and M&P 2.0 3.6” compact triggers are much the same. They are far better than I expected. My M&P 2.0 Competitor has a better trigger with a reduced trigger pull. I don’t have much time spent with shooting these guns, so I appreciate the discussion above and will be on the lookout for undetected issue, but for now I don’t intend upon modifying the guns. My, almost newest purchase is the CZ Shadow 2 Compact and it has a wonderful trigger, but being a double/single action hammer fired gun, comparisons with the M&Ps are comparing very different trigger actions. One thing that is easy to compare is reset and the CZ is much better in this respect.

, and such all have much better everything. That said, I'd like to make this very pretty 2.0 a better date to the dance. Hence the thread. Let's drop it. Thx's to those who participated.