No I wasn't knocking the gun at all, I would still consider purchasing one, and I just PM'd J, if he's going to the show, to tell him where the vendor with the lowest price was. Another interesting thing I saw at the show, was a $35.00 cleaning system, that uses a little gizmo that fires a cylindrical foam wad, through the weapon, using compressed air "like a pellet gun co2" cartridge, I let him clean my 38. Very nice, it has a piece that resembles a bore light, that you load the various sizes into, with the cleaning solution applied, the foam expands due to the 10,000 lbs of preassure, and spirals out leaving it cleaner than clean. you follow it uo with another wad, with a tiny drop of oil, and you are done. I almost bought one, but you still have to clean the rest of the gun, the old fashioned way. May help the guys who are having cleaning problems with thw cleaning, They also have a spray for the rest of the gun. I like TRI-FLO, but they don't make the stuff any more, been using "Break Free", cleaner and lubricant but that TriFlow was the best, it put a teflon kind of coating on the gun and made it easier to clean, curious to hear what others use, other than the Hopps stuff?