This week, I’ve had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison of my trusty Glock 23 and an almost new Smith & Wesson M&P 40.
Much of this post comes from I reply I posted to another question. I decided to post this a new topic, because it’s really a bit different.
My Glock 23 is 13 years old, and I have a Hogue slip on grip on it. I have medium to small hands. (I wear a cadet medium golf glove, if that helps anyone) The slip on grip is not there to add size, but to give me a little better grip and some finger grooves.
My Glock 23 is my absolute "go to" gun. I had a trigger job done on it about 10 years ago and have a Haarts recoil reducer in it. It's never misfired or jammed - IN 13 YEARS. (Edit…it misfired once today and failed to feed three times. I just got the gun back from having a gun shop do the ”deep” cleaning and replacing of springs, as I’ve never had that done. I also changed all of the magazine springs, which are now so tight, I can’t get 13 rounds in a magazine. I’m going to attribute this to a needed break in again after service, since it’s never done this before.) It fits my hands well, and I can point shoot it easily inside of 15 yards. With careful shooting, all of my hits are in the black at 25 yards.
I got the M&P because I took a 2-day class at Smith & Wesson and was impressed enough by the guns that other students were using, and that the instructor was using to pick-up a barely used one. After playing around with the “palmswell” size, I had gone to the small one, but today it seemed like the medium was a better fit, so I changed back to that and it works better.
Here’s a little side story worth noting…When I got the used M&P a couple of weeks ago, it had 5-6 misfires in the first 200 rounds! That just could not be, so I took it apart, cleaned it well and tried it again, this time I had another 4 misfires in 100 rounds. I drove the gun up to Smith & Wesson in Springfield and left it there for repair. I also asked to have night sights added and for them to call me for a credit card number. Three days later, UPS showed up with my repaired M&P 40 with night sights, AND a used 15 round magazine that I did not leave with the gun. Not that I was complaining mind you☺. They also never asked for a credit card for the sights, so I guess they either forgot or cut me a break for having such a new gun that misfired. Either way, I was VERY happy.
Tonight, I put several hundred rounds through each gun, using a variety of ammo, and did everything side by side. The differences were stunning.
As for shooting, the biggest thing I noticed is that the M&P absorbs recoil better than the Glock. I actually can't tell the difference when firing Corbon 135's in the M&P from standard Winchester range ammo. The M&P feels the same with everything. The Glock with Corbon is harsher on my hand than with range ammo. In fact, ALL of my Glocks are different with Corbon. I don't know what S&W did to achieve this, but I think it's remarkable.
For the first time in 13 years, another gun has taken the crown away from my beloved Glock 23! The M&P flat out shoots better than the Glock. It’s significantly more comfortable in my hand and the smaller diameter grip than the Glock, along with the grip being a little bit longer, makes for one fine handling pistol. The M&P was also more accurate them my Glock, by a little bit. I was very impressed that a gun that is brand new to me shoots so well for me so quickly. (I’ve been trying to love an HK USP Compact 9 and an HK P2000 9 for several years now and after shooting the M&P tonight, actually packed the HK’s up to bring to the gun dealer tomorrow to sell!) After shooting the two side by side, the Glock feels clunky and awkward after shooting the M&P.
The M&P is smoother looking, and more rounded. The slide is more "grippy" than the Glock for racking and the sight design is better. The fact that there are 2 more rounds in the magazine does not hurt either. It's marginally heavier than the Glock 23. The slide release on the M&P is hard to operate, being so close to the frame, but that's a small thing for me.
So when I bring my 2 HK’s in tomorrow, I’ll be looking at an M&P 9mm for a little less recoil and cheaper practicing. I may even look at the M&P compact.
I’m not ready to get rid of my Glock 23 or 27 yet, but my Glock 22 rarely gets used and the M&P 40 could easily replace that and overlap with the Glock 23.
I hope this has been helpful, and please feel free to post comments.
Bob
Much of this post comes from I reply I posted to another question. I decided to post this a new topic, because it’s really a bit different.
My Glock 23 is 13 years old, and I have a Hogue slip on grip on it. I have medium to small hands. (I wear a cadet medium golf glove, if that helps anyone) The slip on grip is not there to add size, but to give me a little better grip and some finger grooves.
My Glock 23 is my absolute "go to" gun. I had a trigger job done on it about 10 years ago and have a Haarts recoil reducer in it. It's never misfired or jammed - IN 13 YEARS. (Edit…it misfired once today and failed to feed three times. I just got the gun back from having a gun shop do the ”deep” cleaning and replacing of springs, as I’ve never had that done. I also changed all of the magazine springs, which are now so tight, I can’t get 13 rounds in a magazine. I’m going to attribute this to a needed break in again after service, since it’s never done this before.) It fits my hands well, and I can point shoot it easily inside of 15 yards. With careful shooting, all of my hits are in the black at 25 yards.
I got the M&P because I took a 2-day class at Smith & Wesson and was impressed enough by the guns that other students were using, and that the instructor was using to pick-up a barely used one. After playing around with the “palmswell” size, I had gone to the small one, but today it seemed like the medium was a better fit, so I changed back to that and it works better.
Here’s a little side story worth noting…When I got the used M&P a couple of weeks ago, it had 5-6 misfires in the first 200 rounds! That just could not be, so I took it apart, cleaned it well and tried it again, this time I had another 4 misfires in 100 rounds. I drove the gun up to Smith & Wesson in Springfield and left it there for repair. I also asked to have night sights added and for them to call me for a credit card number. Three days later, UPS showed up with my repaired M&P 40 with night sights, AND a used 15 round magazine that I did not leave with the gun. Not that I was complaining mind you☺. They also never asked for a credit card for the sights, so I guess they either forgot or cut me a break for having such a new gun that misfired. Either way, I was VERY happy.
Tonight, I put several hundred rounds through each gun, using a variety of ammo, and did everything side by side. The differences were stunning.
As for shooting, the biggest thing I noticed is that the M&P absorbs recoil better than the Glock. I actually can't tell the difference when firing Corbon 135's in the M&P from standard Winchester range ammo. The M&P feels the same with everything. The Glock with Corbon is harsher on my hand than with range ammo. In fact, ALL of my Glocks are different with Corbon. I don't know what S&W did to achieve this, but I think it's remarkable.
For the first time in 13 years, another gun has taken the crown away from my beloved Glock 23! The M&P flat out shoots better than the Glock. It’s significantly more comfortable in my hand and the smaller diameter grip than the Glock, along with the grip being a little bit longer, makes for one fine handling pistol. The M&P was also more accurate them my Glock, by a little bit. I was very impressed that a gun that is brand new to me shoots so well for me so quickly. (I’ve been trying to love an HK USP Compact 9 and an HK P2000 9 for several years now and after shooting the M&P tonight, actually packed the HK’s up to bring to the gun dealer tomorrow to sell!) After shooting the two side by side, the Glock feels clunky and awkward after shooting the M&P.
The M&P is smoother looking, and more rounded. The slide is more "grippy" than the Glock for racking and the sight design is better. The fact that there are 2 more rounds in the magazine does not hurt either. It's marginally heavier than the Glock 23. The slide release on the M&P is hard to operate, being so close to the frame, but that's a small thing for me.
So when I bring my 2 HK’s in tomorrow, I’ll be looking at an M&P 9mm for a little less recoil and cheaper practicing. I may even look at the M&P compact.
I’m not ready to get rid of my Glock 23 or 27 yet, but my Glock 22 rarely gets used and the M&P 40 could easily replace that and overlap with the Glock 23.
I hope this has been helpful, and please feel free to post comments.
Bob