m1 carbine 9mm or another 9mm carbine?

[WestKentucky]

I am looking to sell a motorcycle and buy a couple new guns. I have longed for a 9mm carbine for a long time, and this looks almost too good to pass up. http://legacysports.com/m-1-9mm-carbine I have no experience with this model, but I do have the m9 where I could use mags from one for the other (20ish of them). I would consider other carbines provided that they are not a hipoint (had one didn't like it, not to bash but won't do that again) and not an AR15 as I don't particularly care for those either. Top end of the price spectrum for the carbine will be around 600. If you have experience with this rifle or a suggestion on a different rifle in this price range u would love to hear it, especially if wood stock is an option.

 

[horsemen61]

Kel tec sub 2000 9mm

 

[WestKentucky]

The sub2k is a great option but finding one is the issue. I am certainly open to that option. I would also be open to bolt action or single shot options. I just want it in 9mm.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Get the Kelly Tec Sub 2000 version 2 when it comes out.

Kelly Tec says they will be much more available as they've changed the manufacturing to speed it up. Looks like a fantastic gun.

 

[Olympus]

Beretta CX4 Carbine

 

[chris in va]

CX4, definitely. Mine is absurdly fun and is a big hit with everyone at the range. I paid $630 + tax at Buds in Lexington for the 92fs version.

It's really cool how it can be field stripped in about 20 seconds, including the bolt. Ambidextrous too. With my humble LRN reloads I can hit my 25% IDPA steel target at 100 yards every shot, and I cleaned up nicely at a carbine match despite everyone else using an AR. Those bigger 9mm holes really show your hits vs the little 22 pinpricks.

 

[ulflyer]

Email reply today from Erika at Kel Tec regarding the Sub2000 Gen 2 that they "hoped to be shipping in August". So we've got a long wait. There are other 9mm,s out there, but I especially wanted something very light. Maybe I'll decide I don't need anything.

 

[tcoz]

I don't know anything about it specifically, but I'll take the M1-9mm carbine any day. I love any variant of the M1 (Garand, Carbine or M1A).

 

[ifit]

I would NOT consider the legacy sports m1-9, for the fact I own one and for a company that cannot even install rear sights and front sights correctly, you should look else where. Rear sight came loose after about 3 mags. Another range day...front sight actually moved forward to the front of barrel.

 

[ulflyer]

Looked at an online video yesterday and it showed the rear sight having a lock screw; had to move the windage bar all the way to the right to get to the screw. Reviewer also had the loose rear sight and didnt know about the screw until later he noticed it. Gun seems to function very well but was having failure to fire every now and then. No solution/reason for that was given. I'd get one if I wanted a 6lb carbine, but am looking for one lighter.

 

[BCRider]

Near as I can tell the Citadel carbine is a re-badged Chiappa. If you look around at the reviews of these you'll find that a lot of folks are having issues with them being jam-o-matics.

Which is sad because I'd love to get one of the wood versions.

Closer to home a buddy bought one of the black plastic stock versions and brought it out to one of our Speed Steel shoots. I was the RO for the squad he was in so I got to see it jam frequently from close up. Out of 30 strings of fire that involve 5 to 7 shots I don't recall it making it without a jam for more than about 5 or 6 strings.

His was the version that required Beretta mags. And before anyone asks he was using proper Beretta mags that worked perfectly in his Beretta. I asked at the time.

So if you really must have one be prepared for a fight to make it reliable. And if you manage to make it work let me know what you did because I'd love to get one. It's the only Chiappa I've seen where I'd be willing to take the risk.

EDITED for a little more info on the jams- The jams were mostly rounds trying to double feed as I recall. But there were also no lack of simple stovepipe jams. The double feed ones were nasty because they required the mag to be PULLED free and the rounds jammed in the gun to drop clear before the mag could be replaced, the bolt racked and attempts to fire resumed.

 

[strambo]

The M1 9mms would be awesome if they were reliable...I haven't read a good review of one yet. I'd get a Beretta or be patient for the Kel-Tec.

Edit: I just watched the Shot Show video on the Gen 2 Kel Tec Sub-2000. They made some very smart upgrades and it will likely still be at a very good price point. I'd wait for that and get one that makes use of all my Sig P226 magazines. Super-smart to have it able to use all the most popular mags.

 

[BCRider]

Of the black rifle carbines in 9mm the one that pulls me is the lean and trim version of the Thureon Defense.

9mm is a small round that doesn't take a whole lot to absorb its "massive" recoil. So a lean and trim package seems like it would be more in tune with this sort of round and the sort of shooting it would be used for.

I've shot the Beretta Storm, Kel Tec 2000 and a JR carbine. And someone shoved some model of HK into my hands one time.

Of the lot if I were using such a gun to protect myself or for serious competition it would be the Beretta or that HK mystery gun. Both where easy to shoot fast and accurately. And both had rimfire like recoil. As tools for shooting they both excelled.

But for fun the Kel Tec and JR win hands down. Both are rough and kicky thanks to the bolt and recoil spring not being as finely tuned as the other two. And they both spit out a bit of gas. This actually makes them feel like you're shooting a bigger round than the lowly 9mm. And for plinking this increases the fun factor for me. The Beretta and HK were too refined to be "fun for plinking".

But the Kel Tec is too plastic'y for my tastes and the JR is a BIG gun for such a small round. The one time I held a TD in the store it felt like Goldilocks felt when she found the Baby Bear's porridge. But that version used the Uzi mags. And up here in Canada that means that they were pinned to a paltry 5 rounds for legal reasons. They've since brought in versions that we can use with 10 round handgun magazines. But the darn things cost more than what it would take to build a nice 9mm AR clone. As a result so far I've avoided the lure of them.

 

[gotime242]

Something to look into, reviews are getting out..

http://www.kipstaton.com/new-blog-1/2015/2/2/nano-16-9mm-carbine-out-of-left-field-with-glock-mags

 

[Stumper]

I have shot the M1 9. -not bad- certainly a fun gun.....but the Beretta Storm carbine is far far superior in handling and reliability. The Keltec sub 2000 is just nuts for coolness when you fold it and slide it into a satchel....but it is tiresome to shoot after a couple of magazines. Most facial shapes have to cheek it hard to use the sights and the steel tube pounds your cheekbone in extended firing.