M1 Carbine or M14/M1A

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Mountain-Man

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I'm new here but not to shooting, I have a mostly correct 1943 M1 Garand, AR15 and AR10, (I built all three rifles from the ground up) as well as a G19, a Ruger new vaquero in .45 LC, a Ruger 1911, a couple shotguns and I'm working on a traditional flintlock longrifle.

I'm having a hard time deciding between an M1 Carbine and an M14/M1A for my next firearm. If I get the M14 I'll build it instead of buying a complete rifle. I'll mainly use it for punching holes in paper.

I know it's like comparing apples to oranges, but these are the two I'm most interested in right now.
 
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Get the carbine.

They don't make them anymore, but you can still get a real nice original one for the same price or less than the most basic M1A, and you can get one in damn fine condition for the same price as one of the custom M14 makers.

The shells are cheaper, the gun will recoil less, it'll be much easier to carry around, it can come with you camping and not take up much room, it can provide excellence for home defense with soft points, the darn things are like Ruger 10/22s on steroids. They are just great.

The M1A/M14s are nice, but for me it's a no brainer between the two choices. For your choice of paper punching, the choice is even clearer.
 
"If I get the M14 I'll build it instead of buying a complete rifle. I'll mainly use it for punching holes in paper. "

Just being curious....where are you going to get the parts to "build" a M14?
 
Heck, I'm curious which 90% of the M1 Garand is "Correct". There are 55 parts in an M1 and "Correct" means date-correct and manufacturer-correct heat lots, stock and wood.

Harry
 
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Since you already have the M1 Rifle and AR-10, the M1A seems redundant. You may not find much utility in the M1 Carbine either, but at least it's different. And they are indeed a lot of fun.
 
Harry, I searched around until I found all the correct heat lot numbers dated to 1943, the barrel and the stock are the only parts not dated to '43, the barrel is a 2-55 that was put on at an arsenal, and the stock is a new one from dupage trading... Maybe I got my percentage wrong?
 
"If I get the M14 I'll build it instead of buying a complete rifle. I'll mainly use it for punching holes in paper. "

Just being curious....where are you going to get the parts to "build" a M14?
http://www.lrbarms.com/m14receiversactions.html

https://www.jamesriverarmory.com/products/category/36-rockola-m14.html

http://www.fulton-armory.com/m14-receiver-semi-automatic-fulton-armory.aspx

You can pick up the other pieces numerous places.

(It might be more expensive these days to piece one together...)
 
Mountain-Man, Welcome to THR!

Between those two rifles, I would choose the M14 Variant Build.

10-12 years ago when I accumulated most of my M14 components, they had gotten pretty expensive. I perused M14 components on Gunbroker a few months ago and was not surprised to see that the prices are still going up ... and the choices seemed to be fewer.

I would start accumulating now while keeping an eye out for a Receiver Sale (my last came from Fulton Armory in Mid-Summer 2010 for $399.95:) ... finally got around to building it in Sep'14).
 
I've recently purchased a commercial carbine (Plainfield) and did a bit of research here and there into both war babies (in all their forms) and current manufactured copies.... If it were me I'd want a carbine since you already have a great selection of battle rifles - but not if all you're doing is target shooting.... In my opinion the little carbine is just what's needed for ranges under 100 meters when speed and maneuverability might be life itself in a defensive setting.... As already noted, soft points (if the carbine will feed them....) turn the carbine into pretty serious close quarters medicine in a defensive situation...

If you do choose to pick up a carbine -there's lots of folks doing the same thing (and as a result the original GI carbines keep going up in price). If you look into Fulton Armory and what they offer you might find just what's needed for a modern version, either in a complete service model - or a barreled action mated to a fully machined receiver. There was a recent notice from Criterion Barrels that a Fulton with one of their barrels did not only win the carbine competition this year - but also set a new record doing it... Pretty high praise in my book. Other makers of commercial carbines get a lot less respect from folks that are in the know. The best of the older commercial carbines is supposed to be the Plainfield - but they ceased operation in 1978. I haven't taken delivery yet on mine - but I'll be the first one to find out...
 
If I were to build a carbine it would be about the same price as if I bought an original, but wouldn't have to spend that much money at once, hence the reason I built the rest of my rifles.
 
"...They don't make them anymore..." 'They' don't make M-14's anymore either.
The only real question to ask yourself is, "Do you want to shoot .308/7.62 or .30 Carbine?" Not even close to being the same thing. Oh and, "How much money do I want to spend?" A current commercial Inland M1 runs a grand MSRP. You can't build any kind of M1A clone for that.
If you want to shoot past roughly 200 yards or hunt any game in North America it'll be the .308 though.
"...which 90% of the M1 Garand is "Correct"..." That's really irrelevant. A rebuild is a rebuild. Has no collector value.
 
Get both, but M14 types are easier to "build from the ground up" if you want to do that. Carbines are better bought surplus as complete rifles, IMO.

I have M1s, Carbines, and an M1A, and if I had to choose one rifle it would be the Garand. Next would be the M1A.
 
If I build the M14 who all makes receivers, I know James river, Fulton Armory, and lbr does, is there anyone else?
 
Nothing wrong with buying an off the shelf Springfield Armory M1A

I've owned two, and they hold up well
 
I don't mind buying complete rifles, I could save my pennys, but I enjoy building them myself (it gives me something to do)
 
Carbines are great little rifles if you can find one for a reasonable amount. Finding one without paying a huge amount would be the challenge. If you can find a surplus GI carbine, the prices will only go up.
 
Do you have the tooling? M1A or M1 Carbine require some special tooling, starting with the correct barrel vise and receiver wrench. In addition thete is the tooling to correctly index the barrel into the receiver. Flatbush Harry took the M1 Garand course and built his garand, building a M1A for example is not much different as to getting the barrel in and correctly indexed.

Given the possibles you mentioned? Six of one and half dozen of the other but I would likely lean towards the M1A.

Ron
 
Ron, I don't and thanks for mentioning it, my gunsmith friend will rebarrel rifles for me at no charge. I bought a barreled receiver for my Garand from CMP. At this point I'm leaning towards the M14 but I'm still a little undecided
 
Ron, I don't and thanks for mentioning it, my gunsmith friend will rebarrel rifles for me at no charge. I bought a barreled receiver for my Garand from CMP. At this point I'm leaning towards the M14 but I'm still a little undecided
Cool, as long as you have that covered. The trick is having the tooling to correctly index a M14, M1A or M1 Garand barrel (same tools for all three). I see the M14 / M1A as a nice build but it's a rifle I happen to like so like many I am biased. :)

Oh and I forgot to mention earlier Welcome to THR!

Ron
 
derek45, that's a nice looking M1A. And it's good to see a bayonet lug on it! Too many 14s/ M1As out there without one.
 
One more old guy vote for a M1 Carbine.

Granted the M-1A would have been my first choice at a 7.62 NATO rifle.....but you already have an AR10. Plus you have a M-1 Rifle which gives you much the same but with an eight round magazine that needs clips and in a caliber that in its military loading is much the same in capabilities.

You do not say what sort of AR15 you built. I am assuming from your other interests that it is HBAR-ish, but for all we know it might be a retro pencil barrel 1-12 twist 16 inch, and a four to seven position CAR or M4 stock carbine. With or without lights, lasers, people sniffer, Passive IR, tilted irons, and bells and whistles though I think with that stuff sort of defeats half the reason for having a carbine.

If this last is your AR, you may be carbinized enough already.

Other wise, what folks have said in the way of good things about a carbine.

Now a lot of the lower case survivalist crowd and nearly all of the Upper Case Survivalist bark about ammo standardization, that is every rifle in the armory using the same ammo. That might be great for Armies with the backing of governments, but diversity allows more ability to use whatever ammo comes along. You already have a poodle shooter and a couple of 600meter plus rifles, an M-1 Carbine allows you to find one more ammo type you can then use.

With shell shrinkers your Garand and AR10 can become single shots if all you can find is .30 carbine. Or you can use a single shot of .30 carbine when hunting for a little less noise if the idea of using a .30 carbine for hunting does not turn you off and still have "full bore" ammo at hand.

The Carbine is light (5.5 pounds) powerful enough for self defense, especially with HP or SP ammo and can reach out a lot further than some folks seem to think if all you want to do is convince someone to go away. There is at least one You Tube video out their of a guy ringing a torso sized steel plate out at 300 yards. Remember when the Carbine was in USA service the average trooper was expected to be able to achieve 50 percent hits on a kneeling man target at 275 yards. Those 110 grain .30 bullets are still doing 1030 to 1040 fps at 300 yards and producing around 260 Foot Pounds of energy.....more than most of the two inch .38 Special revolvers with go fast 110 grain bullets that a lot of anti carbine folks carry for defense at the muzzle, but the carbine does that at 300 yards!

Naturally a good .308 does "better", but even the most carbonized .308 is going to be bigger and bulkier. Certainy if I wanted to hunt big game a .308 is better. For just a bumming around gun or if I was interested in something certainly with the big game range of a more than a common pistol, bow, or BP flint lock ( and a lot of folks seem to hunt large stuff with those 3) I would not feel under armed with the carbine.

In my younger days I was hot for 30 round magazines, but soon learned that 15 is just fine and gets in the way less. At one point I had one of the short "legal hunting mags" for the states that had hunting magazine restrictions, I think it held five shots. I gave it to a buddy because every time I used it I would keep thinking I had dropped my 15 round magazine.

SO just to make it clear.....in your situation I would add a M-1 Carbine next.

-kBob
 
iv been considering buying a lrb m14 myself...already have the m1 and the carbine. My problem tho is the cost of a decent m14 is basically 3000 and up...your approaching SVI 2011 money now.
 
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