M14 as a 1000 yard Competition Service Rifle

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Well it may be that the M14 still has some life left in it as a 1000 yard Competition Service Rifle.

Early reports coming from the Interservice Matches running at Quantico are that the USMC went back to the M14's for the 1000 yard Service Rifle Team Match and won convincingly with a 1111. USAR shooting M16's was second with a 1091 and the USAMU shooting M16's and 90's took third with a 1050!!

[ 07-26-2003, 04:27: Message edited by: Chris F ]

Curious how high anyone with an M14 placed at Camp Perry.
 
It is a 1000 yard match! Yeah the poodle shooter works wonders, but the fact that it is a 1000 yards means a bad wind day might make 175's or 190's or whatever they use work just a tad bit better than the 80 grain .223. Sometimes size does matter.
 
I think we'll see some ARs win with 90 grain bullets in the near future. The 1K Service Rifle matches are getting more interesting as the 90's are becoming more popular.
 
El Rojo,
That was my post Sven is quoting. My point was not necessarily to fuel a M16 vs M14 debate, but to rather let folk know that they are both viable Service Rifles all the way out to 1000 yards.

Yes the M14 won this year...but last year Chris Hatcher shot the first ever clean at the 1000 yard Interservice Championships with an M16 Service Rifle. Also last year, the Porter and Farr Trophies (1000 yards Service Rifle Match at Perry) were won by my friends John Scandale and Mike Getchel with M16 Service Rifles.

Steve, the 90's have already made their mark. Both Hatcher and Scandale were both shooting them last year.

I think they are now close enough in performance at 1000 yards that it now comes down to who is doing the driving. The Marines happened to shoot better at the Interservice this year.
 
Can a 90 grain .223 feed from the magazine? It seems to me that seating a 90 grain bullet deeply enough to function semi-auto will really intrude into the powder space.

Practically speaking, at what point in bullet weight do you end up switching from magazine fed to loading single rounds in .223? :confused:
 
LR loads for the AR(or M14 for that matter) in NRA highpower are single loaded, regardless of bullet.

They are loaded too long for the mag in order to get more velocity at equal pressure, as well as to bring the bullet closer to the leade. Hornady is making a 80gn OTM bullet that can be loaded mag length, I've been shooting them for a year and they work just fine. S/F...Ken M
 
Call me a traditionalist, but if the round cannot be loaded in the mag, it ain't a Service Rifle any more!

Single load is for range safety, not to similate LR use of the service rifle.

I didn't like those fat M14 stocks, either.:fire:
 
The National Match guidelines seem to indicate that the best available materials for the stock at the time should be used.... what seems suspect to me is changing the appearance of the weapon (ie the fat stock). How much variance is allowed?

I also feel that single-loading stretches the idea of a 'service rifle', although... if you are taking shots at 1000 yards, you probably would have time to load them in a real battle situation, eh? One would hope.
 
3.1.1 Service Rifle-U.S. Rifle, Caliber 7.62 min M 14 as issued by the U.S.
Armed Forces or the same type and caliber of commercially manufactured
rifle, having not less than a 4 1/2 pound trigger pull, with standard type stock
of wood or synthetic material. Must be no more than 2 inches wide at a point
immediately to the rear of the front band, no more than 2.5 inches wide at the
front and rear of the receiver, and have a continuous taper from receiver to front
band. Width at receiver may be carried through to the butt plate, which may be
the flat M-1 or hinged M-14 plate and standard leather or web sling. The rifle
must be so adjusted as to be incapable of automatic fire without removing the
stock and changing parts. In all courses and in all positions the 20-round box
magazine or a reduced capacity magazine of the same external dimensions will
be allowed. The hinged butt plate will be used only in the folded position. The
gas system must be fully operational. External alterations to the assembled arm
will not be allowed. The application of synthetic coatings, which includes
those containing powdered metal, to the interior of the stock to improve
bedding is authorized provided the coating does not interfere with the function
or operation of safety features. The front and rear sights must be of United
States Army design, but may vary in dimensions of rear sight aperture and front
sight blade. The internal parts of the rifle may be specially fitted and include
alterations that will improve the functioning and accuracy of the arm, provided
such alterations in no way interfere with the proper functioning of the safety
devices as manufactured. For stock dimension see diagram.

KEY
Stock Dimensions for M-14/M-1-A.

M14_dims.gif


Assembled Rifle Height from bench (baseline)-All measurements are
maximum allowable except "E"
A -Depth immediately behind stock ferrule - 3 1/4"
B -Depth at front end of trigger housing bedding pads - 4"
C -Depth at front toe of pistol grip - 6 1/8"
D -Depth at toe of stock - 8"
E -From rear of magazine (inserted and locked), across top of magazine
release to toe of pistol grip - not less than 6 1/4"
F -Width at front end of trigger housing bedding pads - 2 1/2"
G -Total length from tip of suppressor to butt plate - 45"
StockAlone
H -Width immediately behind stock ferrule - 2''
I -Width at rear ofstock- 2 1/2''
J -Depth immediately behind front stock ferrule - 1 3/4''
K -Depth where tips of trigger housing bedding pads will rest - 2''
L -Depth from toe of pistol grip to comb of stock - 4 1/2''
M -Depth at buttplate - 5 1/2"
N -Total length from stock ferrule - 33 1/2" with butt plate (minimum 32 1/2")


One must remember that Highpower was not only devised to develop civilian marksmanship, but to also serve as a test bed for the military's service rifles. Taking the service rifle to its limits has always been a side benefit of the sport.
 
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