I know this has been done to death, and I went through some old threads. Now that deer season is over, I want to get a .308 for next year's season and some February hog hunts. I already have a scope and and M1A (norinco). With irons at 100yds I can do 3 round groups about 1.5". Biggest problem is when field hunting, I end up with 2-300yd shots, and I can't even see the grey ghosts with the wooded background even at 100 yards at low light and the irons. I can with my scoped 4 power 30/30, but I don't take those shots with that rifle, and want to un-scope it and make it my woods gun only. I don't want to spend half the cost of the M1A to scope it. If those are the only ones available worth having I will save up and buy a bolt. I would like to hear from guys who have tried the cheaper alternatives, the leapers/utg styles, maybe even the forward rail mounts with a normal scope and what their experiences are. I would humor anything under $100. Over that and I think it might not be worth it to me. Thanks for all comments please let the flaming of the cheap mounts commence!