Ash
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In fairness, H20 is generally very genial in his discussions and doesn't generally resort to flaming.
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M1A project done, traditionalists cover your eyes
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Ash
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No baiting. I doubt H20 will ever "see the light" so to speak. Agreeing to disagree, however, is a concept that you might try sometime. Debate is fine. Throwing a fit is not.
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What ever. I'm done with this as it is neither worth the time nor do I care just how tight your panties get wadded up.
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I like the full length barrel and the weight reduction.
One of SEI's GLFS with a DC Vortex would shorten the OAL by about 3/4s of an inch and make it a little handier.
An 18.0" barrel with the same SEI kit would make it very handy
For comparison purposes and just because I like to post pictures...
I have the GLFS-D-22 and a DC Vortex on my M21A5/C-IED E2 EBR.
OAL: 41.00" ~ 44.25". 12.50 lbs. as pictured below with an empty mag.
I like the full length barrel and the weight reduction.
One of SEI's GLFS with a DC Vortex would shorten the OAL by about 3/4s of an inch and make it a little handier.
An 18.0" barrel with the same SEI kit would make it very handy
For comparison purposes and just because I like to post pictures...
I have the GLFS-D-22 and a DC Vortex on my M21A5/C-IED E2 EBR.
OAL: 41.00" ~ 44.25". 12.50 lbs. as pictured below with an empty mag.
I'm new, so you can both tell me to **** if you want, but all I wanted to know was where you got the cool mount and if you were still happy with it! I hate these stupid flame wars and I expected better from this forum. I have a folding Para Carbine SA-58 with a railed fore end that I love. Is it a modernized dinosaur? I have a collapsible, railed PTR-91 that I love less (sorry) and now I have my second M1A (wooden stock). I sold the first one four years ago. I also have an Fulton FAR-10, two ARs (5.56 and 6.8) and three AKs, plus a Benelli M4! I love them all! And I am well aware that my 'collection' is pathetic compared to LOTS of guys on this board and my experience level is not up to par, either, but why do we have to argue about this crap? They are all wonderful. Thank G-d and the 2nd Amendment we can own them. Buy what you want and what you can afford without depriving your children of food and be happy with your choice AND for the guys that make different choices. Geez!
Kerry
I also have an Fulton FAR-10, two ARs (5.56 and 6.8) and three AKs, plus a Benelli M4! I love them all! And I am well aware that my 'collection' is pathetic compared to LOTS of guys on this board and my experience level is not up to par, either, but why do we have to argue about this crap? They are all wonderful. Thank G-d and the 2nd Amendment we can own them. Buy what you want and what you can afford without depriving your children of food and be happy with your choice AND for the guys that make different choices. Geez!Kerry
MTMilitiaman
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The same can be said of the M16. The fact remains, neither is at the top of the totem pole right now. Both remain in service soley because it is too expensive to replace them.
The military has been "modernizing" both platforms for over 40 years. It "modernized" the M16 almost immediately upon adoption, which I guess means, if you apply the same standard to everything that you do to the M14, it was obsolete at about the same time as the M14. Come to think about it, even the FAL was modernized...
I priced FALs before buying my M1A. They were within a couple hundred dollars--I think the lower end DSAs were selling for around a grand--and my Springfield "Loaded" cost me $1300 out the door.
And lets not forget, nobody made you and Mr. Horsesoldier come in here and disrupt what was until then a civil discussion among aficionados of a platform we happen to enjoy.
The main problem I see with the M14 isn't the stock or it's lack of a pistol grip or forward rails, it's the lack of a flattop and rail over the receiver. A modern rifle should be built with an optics mounting rail that puts whatever sights are used at the same level so that you have a proper cheek weld whether you are using iron sights, a scope or a red dot, (I'd say NV too, but given the bulk of NV scopes, that's probably still unrealistic).
What would really be an effective modernization of the M14 would be to redesign the receiver with a Picatinny rail going across the top, (not some sidemount, but an integral rail), and then raise the comb of the stock and the sights about 1". I don't know how you'd disassemble it with the top of the receiver closed off, but that would also have to be part of the new design.
I really don't see any problems with the weapon besides that. The safety is different, but it's easy to operate and the traditional style stock works as well as a pistol grip stock. The iron sights on it are superb. It's reasonably accurate and pretty reliable to boot.
What would really be an effective modernization of the M14 would be to redesign the receiver with a Picatinny rail going across the top, (not some sidemount, but an integral rail), and then raise the comb of the stock and the sights about 1". I don't know how you'd disassemble it with the top of the receiver closed off, but that would also have to be part of the new design.
I really don't see any problems with the weapon besides that. The safety is different, but it's easy to operate and the traditional style stock works as well as a pistol grip stock. The iron sights on it are superb. It's reasonably accurate and pretty reliable to boot.
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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I like it. It looks better than some of the MODS I've seen for the M1A
ApexinM3
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Ah... modern-day M14/M1A platforms. Sage, Vltor, Troy MCS, etc; I love em! Definately nice to see further life being breathed into them!
Trbon8r, awesome build! I was kicking the idea around on going the same route, but chose the Sage Chopmod instead. Perhaps my next M1A will use the same stock, and if I do I hope you won't mind if I ask you a few questions beforehand.
Happy shooting & perhaps I'll see you around soon!
Trbon8r, awesome build! I was kicking the idea around on going the same route, but chose the Sage Chopmod instead. Perhaps my next M1A will use the same stock, and if I do I hope you won't mind if I ask you a few questions beforehand.
Happy shooting & perhaps I'll see you around soon!
madcratebuilder
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Not my favorite color but it looks great, very clean job. You have some very nice equipment on it.
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