M1A project done, traditionalists cover your eyes

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Thanks Trbon8r! I gather Warlord is a member here? I'm new, though I have lurked for a while, but I'm not sure how to contact him. Are there any more pics of your setup around? I don't want to put you to any more trouble, but if they're out there...

I'm planning on putting a Leupold Mk IV 4.5x14 50mm on the mount and I'd like to head off any problems. The one that leaps to mind is spent cases hitting the turret when they eject. Any concerns there with a mount this low?

As for sacrilege? Ha! I guess I'm a middle of the road pansy! :D I like' em all. Trbon8r's rifle looks great, but mine is a traditional wooden stock. It's really the modified ARMS mount I was most interested in. This is my first M1A, so I figure I'll leave it pretty traditional. But my next one? :evil:

Thanks all,

Kerry
 
Looks good to me.

Do the flat lines on the butt of that stock accentuate the recoil though?

I've been kind of interested in some of the add on stocks for M1A's before (Sage, MCann and this one), but some of them make the rifle look really light in weight and the butt stock on some of them hasn't looked too comfortable.

Has that been a problem? Or have you not noticed any difference or increase in recoil?

No one I know has gotten one, so I can't ask any one I know personally.
 
Recoil & modern M14 stocks:

I have found that felt recoil is reduced slightly with modern pistol gripped M14 stocks mostly due to added weight up front.
Muzzle rise is noticeably reduced because the recoil is more of a straight push back into the shoulder, the pistol grip also
helps the shooter better control muzzle rise.


Browning, a USGI E2 stock is a good choice... if you can find one.
 
H2O MAN : I have found that felt recoil is reduced slightly with modern pistol gripped M14 stocks mostly due to added weight up front.
Muzzle rise is noticeably reduced because the recoil is more of a straight push back into the shoulder, the pistol grip also
helps the shooter better control muzzle rise.

Browning, a USGI E2 stock is a good choice... if you can find one.
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Hmm, good to know thanks.

I have a couple SA .308's, but none of them have one of the new aftermarket stocks on there. They're just so expensive, plus I didn't want to pay out that amount of money for something that I may or may not end up liking.
 
The gap between the grip and the stock reminds me of the metal band around the Enfield just in front of the grip. :)

Looks like fun! I agree chopping the barrel would make some sense to really round out the rifle.
 
I can't say I like the color scheme, but thats been beaten to death. From my traditionalist standpoint, its not really my cup of tea. But, hey, as long as you're happy, its good. I can't object too much since the M1A is still in production. If you did this to a Garand, I would cry.
 
I love the M1A, both in traditional and modified forms. The desire people have to modify them ensure that they will have a place in this world for a long time to come.

Good looking rifle.
 
__________ you! and the Horse you rode in on
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Ah don't be too hard on Horse Boy. Him and his counterpart Ash both foam at the mouth when anything good is said about the M14. I don't think they can even help it anymore. When the M14 is the subject matter, no one takes what they say seriously anyway.

Someone asked about the weight. If the scale I'm using is accurate, the rifle as pictured comes in at 11 pounds exactly with no magazine, but includes the addition of the MK14 Mod 0 three point sling from Fulton Armory. The VLTOR stock definitely shaves a few ounces off a regular GI fiberglass stock.

I am going to get around to doing a proper camo job on the stock, and when I wear this barrel out I will likely swap it out for an 18.5". If I knew where to send the stock to get a decent camo job done, and have the old finish properly removed, I'd do it.

Someone asked about where I got the ARMS mount. It is a standard ARMS #18 that was sectioned out and modified into the older style split rail design by WARBIRD. I prefer the split rail design, because the ARMS mount sits so low, a solid rail can and has caused ejection issues on some M14 rifles. With the modified design there is no chance of having a case hang up.
 
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MTMilitiaman,

There is no bedding needed for this rifle. It's just a standard GI stock that I had a local service rifle smith check the fit on and do a little touch up with a file to make sure the barreled action and trigger group locks up good and tight. The lockup is tight, but it's still easy to disassemble the rifle. The gun is a real shooter, and I couldn't be happier.....well except for the color scheme as others have mentioned. ;)

I could tell you about some of the groups the rifle shoots, but it wouldn't matter anyway, since on the net everyone has an MOA rifle. :) Honestly, I don't do a ton of bench shooting with the rifle anyway. I prefer more practical type shooting from field positions.
 
Alright, personal flames and attacks coming from a fanboi (or is it two?) who drinks the koolaid with the best of them. Of course, it means not actually reading my posts. Get your blinders off, son, and try getting more of your knowledge from practical experience and not the latest version of counterstrike.

If you have ever, EVER, bothered, you'd know I have plenty of respect for the M14. I'm just not slavishly, almost incestuously in love of the platform and cannot see any legitimate reason to fork over $4,000 for something that is in no way any more effective than other weapons on the market at 25% or less of the cost.

Ash
 
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Get your blinders off, son, and try getting more of your knowledge from practical experience and not the latest version of counterstrike.
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First off, I'm not your son, thankfully.

Second, my experience comes from years of shooting M14s both informally and in competition, and thousands of rounds downrange. In fact I was out shooting one of mine today, because I was enjoying learning more about the rifle and what it can do. Meanwhile you were doing what you do, weren't you? You were running around this board trying to find another M14 thread to crap on, and drop your snide little comments.

We get it already, you prefer a "dinosaur" of another flavor, the FAL. Go rain on somebody else's thread, or start another thread with a tribute to the greatest rifle ever, the FAL. :barf:
 
I know that you have plenty of respect for the M14.

Ash: ...cannot see any legitimate reason to fork over $4,000 for something
that is in no way any more effective than other weapons on the market...
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I also know that you have zero first hand experience with a $4000.00 plus SEI built M14.
 
Heh,

I don't consider the FAL the greatest invented, either. All rifles have their advantages. The M1 was, in my opinion, the greatest rifle in WWII and, when compared with its contemporaries, the greatest of all time. The m14 is a fine rifle, especially for civilians. I owned one and got rid of it only because it was no more accurate than my FAL and less accurate than my M1. Frankly, I would like a BM-59 but they are too expensive to justify.

Yet the fact remains that the M14 was a failure in its intended role and was very short-lived in general service. That's a fact that cannot be debated. Those who try like to point out Naval service or sniper use, which is really grasping (like the Japanese saying we started WWII because the USS Ward sank the midget sub).

I don't see why folks slavishly pour thousands into a rifle just to get it to perform with the general ergos of the FAL with only marginally greater accuracy. As a combat arm, the "modernizing" is like trying to take the 1952 Ford and trying to make it perform like a 2008 Acura. It can be done, but at what cost?

I don't mind folks spending what ever they will on their rifle. I have real doubts to the value of super-custom 1911's in any role beyond sport competition, but folks are welcome to do that. If I call the emperor naked, it might just be that the fat guy is standing there with a cheese-eating grin without a stitch of clothes on at all.

But Trebor, you seem intimidated by me, else you would not have felt the need to flame. Perhaps it is because your golden calf is really gold tone? Or is it that you have trouble with people who disagree with you?

Ash
 
But Trebor, you seem intimidated by me, else you would not have felt the need to flame.
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Intimidated? :p

Way to pull a Clinton, and act like the victim when you were the instigator, coming on here comparing modernized M14s to 52 Fords with fuzzy dice and the like. Classic Willy Jeff Clinton at its best!!

I'm not going to debate which is better my M14s or your FALs. Its been done a million times, and it's boring. I know which one works best for me, and that's all that matters. One of these days I'll knock the dust off that FAL in the back of the safe and get it back out to the range. :neener:
 
Oh, I'm certainly no victim. Modernized is merely another way of saying undoing obsolescence. It is a stop-gap at best that results in a rifle that is a compromise in many ways.

But that does not mean the M14 is a piece of crap. There are many ways to employ the M14 that results in a rifle that costs less than half of "modernizing" yet is just as effective.

If you want to place all your effort in a spoiler and fuzzy dice, fine by me, though I do find it ironic that you choose to pull a Slick Willy by deflecting the discussion by likening me to said ex president.

Ash
 
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