M1A Range Report

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ripcurlksm

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-SAI Scout
-JAE stock
-Millett TRS-1 scope on Sadlak mount
-Sadlak gas piston and spring guide, Tubb springs
-NM 4.5" trigger pull
-Tango Down bipod, Accu Shot monopod

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5 shots, 0.80" group, 100 yards, 168HPBT Black Hills, bench
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5 shots, 0.71" group, 100 yards, 168HPBT Federal Match, bench (didn't adjust scope to bullseye)
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5 shots, 1" group, 100 yards, 168HPBT Black Hills, prone
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I am constantly throwing shots and ruining good groups, here is a 0.77" 4-shot group, but i pulled the last shot! haha. I have a ton of targets with 3 shot clovers, one close shot and one shot 1.5" away!
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That's impressive for a scout. Could you get the sadlak parts and put them on a standard M1a? I have the NM version and it shoots like that. I am very critical of my rifles and end up bedding or doing a trigger on about everything I own. Not the SA NM M1a. This rifle was bedded better than I have ever seen. The trigger is a true match trigger. Parkerizing was very even and nice. The only thing I did was burnish the wood and put on about 7 coats of BLO. When I got it my boss wanted to challenge me with his Armalite AR-10, with a free float tube and heavy stainless barrel (JARD trigger, 6X18 Leupold scope.) He shot one group with the Springfield and all the smack talking stopped immediately!
 
nice shooting.well done.I am still working up loads for my socom 16.
pete
 
Love the M1A. I like your stock, but question the utility of the extra cash vs. better glass... what's your take? I get about the same groupings with iron sights on my M1a.
 
I'm confused by the dates on your targets. Can you elaborate on how your M1A was set up for each set of groups. Were the 06/28/09 groups shot before or after the addition of the JAE stock? I have an M1A Scout in the Mossy Oak stock but haven't got around to working up loads for it yet. It'd be interesting to see the groups in the bone stock form and after the upgrades.

ripcurlksm said:
I am constantly throwing shots and ruining good groups, here is a 0.77" 4-shot group, but i pulled the last shot! haha. I have a ton of targets with 3 shot clovers, one close shot and one shot 1.5" away!

This may be a harmonic issue ... are you sure it's you or is it the rifle? Do you reload? The groups shown all seem to be factory loads but some very good groups though.

:)
 
That's impossible. Everyone knows the M1A is an obsolete relic from an era of outdated military tactics. You need a "insert favorite AR here" to shoot sub-MOA groups.
 
Impressive, that beats my Rem 700 30-06 with hunting hand loads. I might have to dress my M1a up the same after seeing this.
 
Very nice groups I don't think you could complain. I have a very very early M1A1 purchased in 1974 from Springfield Armory every part is GI with the exception of the receiver. It's the NM model. I use my own hand load LC brass with the CCI #34 primer 43 Gr. of IMR 4895 trimmed to 2.005 OAL 2810 behind a 147 Gr. FMJBT and get the same results out to 200 Yards. Full size very little recoil and easy on the shoulder. I haven't loaded any 168 Gr. yet but will try them.
 
Could you get the sadlak parts and put them on a standard M1a?
Yes the piston, spring guide and scope mount will fit on any SAI. Sadlak is a great, small company based in Connecticut with great customer service. if you call their shop late, you will catch the owner Mike... always working late.

Love the M1A. I like your stock, but question the utility of the extra cash vs. better glass... what's your take? I get about the same groupings with iron sights on my M1a.
I bet you do get the same groupings, I've had similar groupings before the stock was added. Read to next comment for more info on this. About better glass, I am planning on doing this last. This rifle came with the new plastic stock (not the fiberglass, actual plastic) and the JAE stock was similarly priced to other quality stocks, starting at just under $700. The benefits to me personally to having this stock was no need for bedding, adjustable cheek rest for scope, aesthetics and barrel tensioner. With these groups I haven't even started tuning the barrel tuner, which is a device that applies downward pressure on the front band to tune the harmonics and consistency of your shots/groups. With all the bells and whistles this stock was expensive at ~$1,400 all said and done, but can be done for $700.


I'm confused by the dates on your targets. Can you elaborate on how your M1A was set up for each set of groups. Were the 06/28/09 groups shot before or after the addition of the JAE stock? It'd be interesting to see the groups in the bone stock form and after the upgrades.

This may be a harmonic issue ... are you sure it's you or is it the rifle? Do you reload? The groups shown all seem to be factory loads but some very good groups though.

My rifle just being scoped and in the plastic stock(seen here) still grouped excellent (the .71" group that is not on the bullseye was shot with stock scout and a scope) The first (orange) and third target was shot after the stock was added. What I CAN tell you is that my groups are consistently tighter with the new stock, and yes the rifle did put out good groups before the JAE, just not consistently. With the fliers it could be a harmonics issue, one feature I haven't played with yet on the JAE stock is the barrel tensioner (mentioned above) to put a little downward pressure on the barrel. From my understanding and research VERY little pressure can have great results. Also want to note I am not a pro shooter or have any formal training, I've read a lot on the subject and techniques and admit I have a lot to improve as a shooter. This may also contribute to fliers.

Also, can you give us any feedback on the sadlak mount?
The Sadlak mount is great, its a three point steel mount. Shooting 308 you need to have 3 points of contact with the receiver and it needs to be steel (not aluminum!) if you want to leave it on and never have to worry about it moving or deforming. The mount also features a cutout so you can use iron sights. I have quick detach rings so I can remove the scope and it looks like this
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did you break in this rifle?
No break in


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Few things I didn't mention yet is I've also shimmed the gas cylinder to tighten up the gas lock. I flipped my gas lock around and with the shims it hand tightens to 5:30 o'clock and I use a gas wrench (from sadlak :)) to tighten it to 6 o'clock. This tightened up the entire gas cylinder.

Also I have a new barrel for this rifle coming, a 22" Krieger 1:10 chrome molly which from the quality of the barrel I hope will improve groups, from the length of the barrel give me a little more velocity for distance and a faster twist to keep those 168's and 175's stabilized. I'll be happy to give another report in a month or two in this thread with my progress.

Edited to add: I have no affiliaton with Sadlak, im just a customer... who pretty much bought almost all of their products and they are nice folks, fair and USA!
 
Thanks for the input on the mount! Both the stock and the mount are on my to-do list. Can't wait for more reports once you get yr new barrel. Tons of great info!
 
ripcurlksm said:
I have a new barrel for this rifle coming, a 22" Krieger 1:10 chrome molly which from the quality of the barrel I hope will improve groups, from the length of the barrel give me a little more velocity for distance and a faster twist to keep those 168's and 175's stabilized.

I have two Krieger barrels and a third on order and you probably won't find a better barrel ... a few equal to Krieger I'm sure, but significantly better ... I doubt it. The Scout comes with a 1:11 twist so I don't know if you'll see significant differences re the twist rate and 168gr or 175gr bullets. I shoot a 178gr A-MAX through my 1:10 Krieger with excellent results though. I would think that the lack of internal stresses in the Krieger will yield the greatest improvements ... that'd be my guess anyway. Thanks for the explanation on the targets and how the stock Scout performed. I plan on starting load development for mine soon. I'm not going to upgrade mine though ... I want to leave it stock with iron sights. I'm going to use a scope for load development and then remove it once I'm done.

:)
 
I just got the gas cyl unitized and a 1:10 Krieger CM heavy barrel on.

Here she is w/o the handguard. I've sanded the guard down to remove contact with the stock, but I am still working with the barrel tensioner and cranking the barrel down so I dont want to make any handguard adjustments until I find the sweet spot on the tensioner
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First time shooting in 4months. Threw a shot here, but not bad 5-shots @100 yards with 168 Federal Match
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3 shots
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Gotta say the extra 4" barrel and match ammo makes the 700 yard steel @ Angels range... a complete joke
 
I take it that is the Gen II. My 1st gen JAE lacks the tensioner.

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The Sadlak is the best Brookfield type mount made. They will even custom make one of you have an out of spec Springfield Armory receiver.

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And if you want to get the lightest trigger possible (no service match legal) the Rader trigger is safe down to around 2 pounds.

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Right on on Tod, yes I have the Sadlak mount and it's great. I sent my trigger group out and took it from a long 6# to a crisp 4.5#, its perfect
 
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