(MA) Teen barred from campus after firearm found in car

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Teen barred from campus after firearm found in car

WINCHESTER, Mass. -- A Winchester High School student spent his day in court instead of the classroom for allegedly having a gun in his car.

Kenneth Torlene Jr. was arraigned in Woburn District court on Friday morning a day after police found a Remington 12 shotgun with a sawed-off barrel in his brown Buick that was parked about a mile away from the school.

The teen reportedly told police that he was trying to dispose of the firearm, which belonged to his grandfather.

The suspect's friend brought the weapon to the attention of school officials on Thursday after an argument that he had with Torlene.

The student was released on $500 cash bond. However, Torlene reportedly will not be allowed to return to school.

An attorney for Torlene says the student has never been in trouble with the law before.

Neither Torlene nor his father commented on the situation as they left the courtroom.

The teen is scheduled to be back before a judge on June 18.

Winchester High School Principal Tom Gwin sent an e-mail on Friday to reassure parents that no students or staff were threatened or in danger at any time during this incident.

http://www3.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO51900/

So, he never took the gun to school, but was expelled anyhow?
 
according to the story, he never took the gun onto school property. It does not specify that the car was parked on a school parking lot, but if it had been, I doubt they would have passed up the chance to state that the car was on school property.
 
It was parked a mile away. Sounds like the school is overstepping their bounds. Unless the shotgun is too short to be Fed legal, the kid is gonna get rich from the law suits.
 
A mile from the school? Now there’s an idea; declare the entire town a ‘school zone’ to prevent gun ownership. :scrutiny:
 
If he didn't bring the gun onto school property the school has no right to penalize him.

If he knowingly broke the law then he has to pay the price.

If he was indeed "disposing" of his grandfather's illegal shotgun, then he should have notified the BATFE and done it in a legal manner.
 
"A mile from the school? Now there’s an idea; declare the entire town a ‘school zone’ to prevent gun ownership. "


Ahh! Don't give them any ideas O__O
 
He broke the law by bringing a firearm onto school property. I don't really have any sympathy for him.
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or the disarmed students of virginia tech.......

but anyway, the car was a mile away from the school. If that's against the law then I'd love to exercise my right of jury nullification.
 
Missing some important info like what was he going to do with the shotgun. Was he going to drop it in a river, sell it to someone or give to the police. My best bet is he was going to illegally sell it.

First it did not say if he had an FID or LTC. Being in possession of a firearm without a license is a serious offense in Mass.

Second the article stated it had a sawed off barrel. Did not say if it was of legal length or not.

Third, if he was trying to get rid it of it he should notified the police to pick it up since it is not illegal to have a unlicensed firearm in one's house but once he left the house with it he broke the law.
 
If he was indeed "disposing" of his grandfather's illegal shotgun, then he should have notified the BATFE and done it in a legal manner.
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So, assuming it was illegal, could one really just call the ATF and have them come and take it w/o any hassle? Somehow I think if one had an illegal weapon (MG, SBS, what have you) the ATF would take it off their hands, and place cuffs on their wrists too.
 
wacki said:
or the disarmed students of virginia tech.......
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That's not fair at all to say. We're not talking about concealed carry being illegal on school property, we're talking about an idiot who decided to tell people about a firearm that was not legal to be possessed by him, nor legal in MA (to the best of my knowledge). But hey, take your cheap shots. I won't make any back, as I'm better than that.

And whether people here like it or not, schools are often allowed to do whatever they want. It's against my right to express myself however I want be enforcing a school uniform. It's against my right to bear arms by not allowing weapons onto school property. It's commonplace for schools to get involved directly with a situation one of its students is involved with.

The kid broke the law and got caught. /sigh
 
> If he was indeed "disposing" of his grandfather's illegal shotgun, then he should have notified the BATFE and done it in a legal manner.

Meh, kids are stupid. I remember a time when schools took that into account.
 
1600m from school and he got arrested? Makes no sense. How does the school get involved with something off school property? Home schooling is looking better and better...
 
If I was gonna 'dispose' of something illegal... I'd do it with a cutting torch, and not tell ANYONE! LEAST of all the BATF!
 
Yes the kid broke the law. HE should be punished by the criminal system not the school. What precident does this set. I live less than a mile from my sons school. So if he loads my shotgun into my car he can get suspended? They nail kids for drawing pictures of guns, using fingers as guns. What is off of school grounds is not under their jurisdiction. Some schools make their athletes sign anti drinking, drug and smoking pledges and will kick them off of the team if they are caught breaking that pledge. I have no problem with that. To belong to a team or any extracuricular activity is voluntary. They do not suspend them from school. Schools expanding their power is just more of the nanny state we will control you cradle to grave BS.


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The school has no business whatsoever being involved, or barring him from campus. Period. Too damned many people minding everyone else's business, again.

I think it's time the schools started concerning themselves with educating kids, instead of with trying to run their lives. Half of these kids don't know who won WWII. I'm serious. And forget about geography. It's apalling.

All the schools teach these days is political correctness, and how to be a good little ultra-lib.

It's funny. When I was in school, these were the same people who preached non-conformity, and thinking for one's self, instead of automatically bending over for the gov't. What happened to them? Did somebody break the bong?
 
The article is bunk. It doesn't say what the kid was actually charged with. If it was having a gun on school grounds it is a false charge. Car and gun were never on school property. Car was parked a mile away.

School shouldn't have gotten into it because it never actually involved the school itself besides the kid was going to school there and was smart enough to NOT bring the car and gun all the way to campus.

Article never says the shotgun was illegal. Focuses on the fact he had a gun a mile away from school stored in his car.

To everyone saying "he broke the law tough", tell me what law he actually broke and what he was charged with.

He broke the law by bringing a firearm onto school property.
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He never brought the shotgun onto school property.
 
Pass enough laws and everyone is a criminal Atlas Shrugged.

Henry Bowman and I are on the same page.

Keep your mouth shut, Concealed is concealed.

One never knows who will use whatever they have / know about you to hurt you.

Law? What about COTUS? Or has that been watered down, re-defined, and now not pertinent anymore.

The Reality is, there are folks, licensed to be armed guards that attend College.
Are they supposed to drive back home between classes, and work, and not have the right to be armed in travel in the even the car breaks down?

What about the 23y/o working and going to school, and commutes 20, 30 miles, is she just supposed to submit, and be raped and killed when she has vehicle trouble commuting.
Maybe she really needs to buy gas after dark, run into a grocery store...is just supposed to submit, be attacked, raped for the sake of Tyranny, Politicians, Brady and "School Rules" ?

How about that wife, sister, aunt in above situations?

Do you folks "advertise" you have your wife's diamond ring in the car, on the employee parking lot, and at lunch are going to run it by the Jewelers ?

Do you "advertise" you have a bank deposit under the front seat of your car stopping to buy gas, running into office supply store, picking up papers from your attorney?

Right to Privacy. Safe in daily affairs. Gov't ain't got no damn business Controlling folks.

I hope this kid sues, and wins big time.

I also hopes he learns to shut up, not advertise, and chooses like kind to hang with.

I do not hang with some folks I know that have guns, shoot or hunt. They do not have enough sense to NOT advertise themselves, no way I am going to let them advertise ME.

I have been asked to "learn to shoot" , or "we will teach you to hunt".
I deny, I lie, I make up excuses. My business is MY business!

I also know a 18 y/o for two years now, has had a lock box in her vehicle trunk with a Revolver in it. I assisted in putting this lock box in that trunk.
She commutes to school, she visits her grandparents, and helps to take care of them. She has a cell phone. Still her parents want to know, if that kid is caught out with a flat tire, or other trouble, she has the means to be safe, until help arrives.
Nobody knows, except her parents, me and on or two others. NOT even the entire family knows.

Her mom was assaulted as a teenager, attempted rape, when her car broke down on a dark, two lane blacktop. Her parents had guns, just thought it was too much hassle and "the law is the law you know?"
Her parents never got over that.
Daughter was forced at gun point to do things ...and then for whatever reason, the guys left, and stopped going further...she was overpowered and tied...

These parents/ grandparents are passed. The paternal grandparents, know all about this, and they paid for the lockbox and gun, when this kid got that used car and got her driver's license.

Hence the reason to quit fighting amongst ourselves, and use energies to get legislation changed.

It might be you, your wife, your kid on a dark two lane blacktop commuting to or from school one night.

Ever seen a lady come into a ER and have to do a rape kit? I have.

Reality differs from Internet.
 
he article is bunk. It doesn't say what the kid was actually charged with. If it was having a gun on school grounds it is a false charge. Car and gun were never on school property. Car was parked a mile away.

School shouldn't have gotten into it because it never actually involved the school itself besides the kid was going to school there and was smart enough to NOT bring the car and gun all the way to campus.

Article never says the shotgun was illegal. Focuses on the fact he had a gun a mile away from school stored in his car.

To everyone saying "he broke the law tough", tell me what law he actually broke and what he was charged with.
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He did not get in trouble for having the shotgun in his car off campus. He got in trouble because it sounds like he does not have the proper State firearm license to be in possession of the shotgun. Since it was his grandfathers gun it is probably not registered in the State Firearm Records Bureau data bank. All of this make it illegal for him to be in possession of the shotgun. There are some very tough gun laws in this state.
 
The school got involved because a student was upset over the rumor that the kid in question had a sawed-off shotgun.

It's illegal to own such a weapon in MA without going through tons of paperwork. I have the feeling the kid didn't have said paperwork.

I don't like how the school got involved the way it did, but when the fear was present on school property, it became a school matter.

I saw the story on the news last night. Get this: he's undergoing a psychological evaluation.

What the (you know what) is wrong with people? He isn't nuts, he just had his grandfather's shotgun. He didn't bring it to school. Sure, he broke the law and needs to be dealt with, but it's not like he's a raging lunatic.
 
I don't like how the school got involved the way it did, but when the fear was present on school property, it became a school matter.
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For heaven's sake - do you think everything in the world could be a "school matter" just because some random thoughts bumped around in a student's head?
 
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