Magazine Disconnect why would anyone want one??

[wally]

I'd rather have at least one shot should the magazine fall out somewhere along the way, as being old enough for Medicare, my days of expecting to prevail in hand-to-hand combat are well behind me.

But I can understand how Law Enforcement could have serious worries about being shot with their own gun, especially with all the second guessing they face once they have acted, which might make them hesitant and thus make them more prone to get in a wrestling match with a bad guy.

I think its nice to have the choice of the option you prefer.

 

[edwardware]

I don't mind one on my semi gas shotgun; makes subbing a different round quickly a lot easier; but that's about it.

Two question:
1) Which magazine-fed, semi-auto shotgun are you taking about?
2) How does the mag disconnect simplify switching the chambered or next-up shell?

I just can't picture what you're referring to.

 

[Kendahl]

Magazine disconnectors are an attempt to compensate for incompetence and carelessness. They are intended for troops who don't understand that it matters whether you drop the magazine before racking the action or vice versa and compound their error by pulling the trigger without checking the chamber.

 

[lobo9er]

My Shield 9 does not have disconnect. It's even got the billboard sign on the side that states it's capable of firing with magazine removed. No manual safety model if that makes a difference.

Ok I was under the impression they can fire without the magazine also just like my bg380

 

[George P]

Two question:
1) Which magazine-fed, semi-auto shotgun are you taking about?
2) How does the mag disconnect simplify switching the chambered or next-up shell?

I just can't picture what you're referring to.

A Beretta A400 (there are others), by using the disconnect, it prohibits rounds form the mag from entering the chamber so if you want to switch from a light quail load to a turkey load without manually emptying the mag, you'd use it

 

[JTQ]

Ok I was under the impression they can fire without the magazine also just like my bg380

Regarding the S&W Shield, it depends on where you live.

Per 9mmepiphany's post, who lives in California, S&W offers a California compliant Shield

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=187021&zipcode=32506

They also offer a model without the mag disconnect safety.

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=180021&zipcode=32506

 

[edwardware]

A Beretta A400. . .

Ah, a tubular magazine, not a removable magazine! That's a bit out of scope for this discussion, but now I understand what you're talking about.

 

[stchman]

Every Shield I've come across has had one

My Shield 9 does not have a magazine disconnect, it has no manual safety either. No mag disconnect and no manual safety, a must for a CCW pistol.

 

[9mmepiphany]

My Shield 9 does not have disconnect It's even got the billboard sign on the side that states it's capable of firing with magazine removed

That's the trade-off.

If your gun doesn't have the magazine disconnect, it will have the billboard on the side

 

[lobo9er]

That's the trade-off.

If your gun doesn't have the magazine disconnect, it will have the billboard on the side

I prefer the very small line on the frame of text then a magazine disconnect on my bg380

 

[9mmepiphany]

I prefer the very small line on the frame of text then a magazine disconnect on my bg380

I went the other way on my M&P9...I prefer the cleaner slide.

Since I was planning on using it in competition, where you have to Show Clear after every stage, I just pulled the lever out when I installed the Apex Tactical parts...actually I replaced the whole Sear Block when upgrading to the larger Sear Plunger

 

[RETG]

That's the trade-off.

If your gun doesn't have the magazine disconnect, it will have the billboard on the side

H&K P30SK does not have a magazine disconnect, and it has no so-called billboard on the frame or slide. In fact, the only warning on the handgun is under the trigger guard and it says Warning: read the owner's manual.

Also, believe that is why it cannot be sold in CA (not sure, but been told).




My Beretta PX4s have the billboard...

(NOTE: I did not take these photos.)

 

[9mmepiphany]

Also, believe that is why it cannot be sold in CA (not sure, but been told)

That is incorrect

 

[ATLDave]

Magazine disconnectors are an attempt to compensate for incompetence and carelessness.

By the same token, much of the aversion to mag disconnects seems to arise from the assumption that the user will be so careless as to inadvertently dump their mag while trying to shoot someone.

 

[RecoilRob]

By the same token, much of the aversion to mag disconnects seems to arise from the assumption that the user will be so careless as to inadvertently dump their mag while trying to shoot someone.

My personal aversion to them is that they add another potential failure point (or points) and on some they degrade the trigger action. On another thread the various Ruger pistols were mentioned and for a fact if you work the slide on one with the safety still in place they feel 'scratchy' like something is dragging on it....which is the case. Remove the safety and the slide moves much more freely like you'd expect it to. Of course the Browning P-35 with the safety actually needing to slide on the magazine when pulling the trigger causes an increase in pull weight....especially so depending on the mag surface finish. If the trigger feel is the ONLY downside...it can be worked around but those that require the slide to depress and slide on them....IMHO they're best removed for reliability.

 

[ATLDave]

That all sounds reasonable, Rob. I believe only one of my firearms has a mag disconnect, so I'm hardly a big proponent of them... just addressing the logic of some who rail against them.

 

[RETG]

That is incorrect

Ok. What is incorrect? They can be sold in CA even without a mag disconnect, or they cannot be sold and it is not due to not having a mag disconnect? Just curious, since CA gun laws mean nothing to me and reading then would give me a headache and most likely raise my BP.

But I have read a few times that CA requires a mag disconnect on handguns that are not grandfathered in.

 

[lobo9er]

H&K P30SK does not have a magazine disconnect, and it has no so-called billboard on the frame or slide. In fact, the only warning on the handgun is under the trigger guard and it says Warning: read the owner's manual.

Also, believe that is why it cannot be sold in CA (not sure, but been told).

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My Beretta PX4s have the billboard...
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(NOTE: I did not take these photos.)

I like that HK

 

[lobo9er]

Is the P30sk comparable size as the lc9 or shield?

 

[lobo9er]

I feel kind of dumb but I never even thought about removing a magazine disconnect. I'm going to do a little research and see if it's possible to remove it on the EC9 seems like it should be because it's removable on the lc9s.

 

[lobo9er]

I went the other way on my M&P9...I prefer the cleaner slide.

Since I was planning on using it in competition, where you have to Show Clear after every stage, I just pulled the lever out when I installed the Apex Tactical parts...actually I replaced the whole Sear Block when upgrading to the larger Sear Plunger

That's a great idea you know I never even thought of that.

 

[9mmepiphany]

What is incorrect? They can be sold in CA even without a mag disconnect, or they cannot be sold and it is not due to not having a mag disconnect?

Referring to your statement ..."believe that is why it cannot be sold in CA (not sure, but been told)."...in reference to the Magazine Safety.

They cannot be imported and sold through an FFL, because they are not listed on the: California Department Of Justice Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale . They can be sold among private parties going through an FFL in a private party transfer.

The majority of semi-automatic handguns on the roster are not equipped with a magazine safety. What is keeping additional handguns from being added is the requirement for Microstamping.

But I have read a few times that CA requires a mag disconnect on handguns that are not grandfathered in.

There is no grandfather provision attached to the roster. Each pistol needed to meet the current requirements when they were submitted for the roster. New requirements cannot be made retroactive

 

[firedawg60]

That's the trade-off.

If your gun doesn't have the magazine disconnect, it will have the billboard on the side

At least it's not as bad as some Rugers I have seen with the whole safety section out of the manual on the side.

 

[paulsj]

I just saw Ruger EC9 and was super excited was going to buy one for like $210 on GunBroker. Checked out the specs, magazine disconnect... it's a deal breaker for me. I'm going to wait and buy a shield for dollars more, unless of course they have one too and I just didn't notice

My guess is if one takes mag out and there is live one in the chamber the gun will not go off when the trigger is pulled. While I realize many gun owners have phobia when it comes to safety fetures on firearms I think safety features on guns are a good thing.

 

[RETG]

I like that HK

It is a nice shooting handgun. But I have always preferred H&Ks, Berettas and Sigs, in DA/SA models.