Magazine Disconnect why would anyone want one??

[Kendahl]

By the same token, much of the aversion to mag disconnects seems to arise from the assumption that the user will be so careless as to inadvertently dump their mag while trying to shoot someone.

I think it's more an aversion to disabling the gun during a magazine change.

 

[Slamfire]

No, said requirement will never cause an accidental discharge. If someone is careless or stupid enough to insert a loaded magazine, rack the slide (as Homerboy pointed out) and fire the pistol without intending to, such behavior is at the very least negligent. Stone coming your way...

Well, one of the good things about a Bullseye match is that everyone shoots on the same line, no one goes forward till the line is cleared and all pistols are in the box, or are on the bench with a loaded chamber indicator. And, you don't handle your weapon until the command is given by the Match Director. Anyone having a negligent discharge is going to have it with the pistol pointing down range and no one in front of the line.

The match format was set before there ever was a pistol with a magazine disconnect. At the time, the majority of shooters were firing revolvers! Those new fangled auto pistols were a later development.



I had to create this to figure out the sequence of a Bullseye Match. You would think that someone would have created a version of this, and maybe they have, but this is the one I made.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

I’m not a fan of magazine disconnect safeties, and I’m a LEO. I carried a S&W 4046 for two years on duty and was happy when we switched to Glocks. The old drop the mag if you think you’re about to loose your gun is not as easy as you think it might be.
It is much easier to cause a failure to feed/cycle, drop the gun and go to your backup. This is easier to do on a striker fire pistol then one with a hammer. You just place the thumb of your gun hand on the back of the slide, apply pressure and pull the trigger. This will cause a few things to happen. First, the gun will fire and the slide will not cycle. The empty cartridge case will stay in the chamber. And no, you thumb will not be hurt.
Secondly the bad guy will break contact or continue to fight. If he continues to fight, let go of the gun. While he’s trying to figure out why a gun that just went bang , will not go bang when he pulls the trigger, go for your backup and end the fight.
If the bad guy breaks contact when the gun goes bang, all you have to do is step back, rack the slide and end the fight.
The Magazine safeties was invented for people people that need extra safeties.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

I don't like them but I can live with them.

Currently the only gun I have with one is my EDC 99 percent of the time, a LC9s.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

I’m not a fan of magazine disconnect safeties, and I’m a LEO. I carried a S&W 4046 for two years on duty and was happy when we switched to Glocks. The old drop the mag if you think you’re about to loose your gun is not as easy as you think it might be.
It is much easier to cause a failure to feed/cycle, drop the gun and go to your backup. This is easier to do on a striker fire pistol then one with a hammer. You just place the thumb of your gun hand on the back of the slide, apply pressure and pull the trigger. This will cause a few things to happen. First, the gun will fire and the slide will not cycle. The empty cartridge case will stay in the chamber. And no, you thumb will not be hurt.
Secondly the bad guy will break contact or continue to fight. If he continues to fight, let go of the gun. While he’s trying to figure out why a gun that just went bang , will not go bang when he pulls the trigger, go for your backup and end the fight.
If the bad guy breaks contact when the gun goes bang, all you have to do is step back, rack the slide and end the fight.
The Magazine safeties was invented for people people that need extra safeties.[/QU

I’m not a fan of magazine disconnect safeties, and I’m a LEO. I carried a S&W 4046 for two years on duty and was happy when we switched to Glocks. The old drop the mag if you think you’re about to loose your gun is not as easy as you think it might be.
It is much easier to cause a failure to feed/cycle, drop the gun and go to your backup. This is easier to do on a striker fire pistol then one with a hammer. You just place the thumb of your gun hand on the back of the slide, apply pressure and pull the trigger. This will cause a few things to happen. First, the gun will fire and the slide will not cycle. The empty cartridge case will stay in the chamber. And no, you thumb will not be hurt.
Secondly the bad guy will break contact or continue to fight. If he continues to fight, let go of the gun. While he’s trying to figure out why a gun that just went bang , will not go bang when he pulls the trigger, go for your backup and end the fight.
If the bad guy breaks contact when the gun goes bang, all you have to do is step back, rack the slide and end the fight.
The Magazine safeties was invented for people people that need extra safeties.

That right there is good advice.

 

[SwampWolf]

The match format was set before there ever was a pistol with a magazine disconnect. At the time, the majority of shooters were firing revolvers! Those new fangled auto pistols were a later development.

I've competed in Bullseye matches since the early sixties. On occasion, I still use revolvers but never any sort of sight except irons. I think "red dots" or any other sort of "optical" sight is heresy for Bullseye competition-but I'm "old school" and old period and don't win many matches anymore.
"New fangled" auto pistols may have been a "later development" but some of them came with magazine disconnectors way over a half century ago.

 

[Slamfire]

I think "red dots" or any other sort of "optical" sight is heresy for Bullseye competition-but I'm "old school" and old period and don't win many matches anymore.

Given the average age of a Bullseye shooter is "deceased", the game would have ended without optical sights. I would not have entered Bullseye with irons, because I can no longer see the sights and the target clearly.

 

[SwampWolf]

There never was nor is an age limit for Bullseye shooters. If you're young like I once was (a long time ago), you can still compete. My only point is that Bullseye shooting was meant to be difficult. In my experience (and I've done a lot of "combat" pistol shooting over the years), holding a pistol with one hand and shooting at a target fifty yards away (slow fire stage), using iron sights, with the winds coming off Lake Erie at Camp Perry, is one of the more difficult things to do in pistol competition.
If the course of fire and its attendant protocol becomes too difficult for some to do and they want an easier format to excel in, there are plenty of other shooting disciplines that can accommodate. If failing eyesight becomes a factor (cataract surgery helped my 74 year old eyes a lot), I have no problem with having a separate venue for Bullseye shooters.
Bullseye shooting from the very beginning was open to all ages and physical conditions. When it first started and a long time afterwards, there were plenty of oldsters as well as youngsters and everyone in-between competing and no one sought an "edge" just because they couldn't see their sights as well as the next guy.
Early old-timers never asked for special conditions to accommodate failing eyesight and shaky hands. No "snowflakes" back in the day. They just stepped up to the line, adopted the proper stance, obtained the correct grip, aligned the sights, exercised good breath control, squeezed the trigger and practiced a steady follow-through after the shot-just like everyone else.

 

[9mmepiphany]

It sounds like this thread has run it's course