Making anti's look dumb with an evil gun

[thumbody]

How about starting with a stock Ruger 10/22 . Then compare with one with all the scary tactical parts added.(Black stock,50 round magazine heat shield,flash suppressor etc.)
If you had the equiptment you could switch the pieces right in front of them so they could realize the gun is mechanically the same, just dressed different.

 

[velojym]

You could also take it further in the other direction. Give it a nicely figured stock and maybe some engraving, make it look like a fancy-grade rifle which seems like it probably never leaves the rack over the mantle.
Then give it the 'nasty-evil-black-rifle' look for the 'after' photo.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

thats what I was thinking of velojym. Perhaps with a nice shotgun. Maybe a Rem 870.?

 

[Caimlas]

I always ask them to pick which rifle is "automatic", is more powerful, has a greater range, and is more lethal...

Even better: take that BAR with a .22LR AR15 design, like the Carbon-15 plinker, or better yet a "British" AR15 - that is, a straight-bolt action AR upper.

 

[carterbeauford]

If the antis are capable of following logic (yeah right) argue this: the gun firing the bullet doesn't really matter at all. What you have is a solid mass of lead and copper of a certain diameter travelling at high speed. How does the way the gun looks in any way affect this?

AR-15 .223 fires 55 grains of lead and copper at 3000+ FPS

Savage 12 .223 fires 55 grains of lead and copper at 3000+ FPS

CZ 527 7.62x39 fires 123 grains of lead and copper at 2000+ FPS

AK-47 7.62x39 fires 123 grains of lead and copper at 2000+ FPS

If you get hit with either of these bullets, your immediate concern is not the physical attributes of the rifle they came out of.





I found this while searching for AK pics

 

[wolf_from_wv]

This is the same exact gun, but it is a shotgun...

 

[tecdv]

More shotgun pics.

Mossberg 500



Or This
Mossberg 500 Bullpup

 

[EttenBoom]

The only way to win -- let me repeat that -- the ONLY way to win is to move public perception. This is done in 100 or 1000 ways. Almost always, these are gentle, subtle, persistant, and consistant.

I think you have the right idea, Guntalk. I think we're much better off altering the perception of the legal gun owner to show that most of us are not the "paranoid redneck" that the media and hollywood portray us to be.
The average non-gun owner out there doesn't know the difference between a Brown Bess and an AK (and the whole "an true assault weapon is fully automatic" argument is probably lost on most), but they can spot a humanitarian.

these are gentle, subtle, persistant, and consistant.

Yes, and abrasive "commie", "socialist", "jackbooted thug", or "sheeple" comments DON"T have these qualities.

 

[Hoppy590]

my favorite was taking a pic of a preban, and a ban period AR ( most specificly the fixed colapsable stock ones) and aske them to tell the differance between the two

 

[crunker]

Good ol' Mossberg 500:
http://geviar.com/acces/stock4/mos1a.jpg

**** STREETSWEEPER BAN IT
http://www.knoxx.com/NewStyleKnoxx/Products/images/sidewinder_wTOP.jpg

 

[Werewolf]

Easy - very easy... If someone else all ready suggested then my bad for not reading the whole thread.

Evil Rifle - An AK-47 semi-auto only rifle
Good Rifle - Saiga rifle chambered in 7.62X39

The only real difference is the furniture and the fact that the Saiga only takes 10 round Saiga mags and not AK mags (which is easily remedied).

Otherwise exactly the same gun made at the same factory in Russia that makes/made AK's.

 

[Lupinus]

ot just backlash

"OMYGOSH, look how easily he can make that rifle into an assult weapon! Thats why all guns need to be banned!"

 

[harvester of sorrow]

Countering an emotional argument with a factual one will rarely succeed.

 

[rojoko]

READ ME!!

You know, it astonishes me what people do to "react" to anti-gun" people... Doesn't anyone stop to think about the real issues involving these problems?

You know, if you really wanted to do something constructive to help the cause, the easiest thing you could do is to get a non-intersted party interested in shooting. And I mean proper shooting... not going out and blowing up a bunch of trash and bottles and old stuff (thereby pissing off the environmentalists), but takig out some targets, teaching them proper weapons handling how to break the sear properly and the joy of learning how to handle a firearms properly... if they get intersted in hunting or whatever later on, great!

You have no idea of how important it is to get new people interested in shooting! Doesn't matter if it's shotguns, paperpunching, Hi POwer National Match, etc etc etc... or even BB gun shooting.

But does anyone really understand that one of the biggest problems we face is the fact that the shooting community is shrinking BADLY!! Americans have been conditioned to the fact that firearms are BAD! and so fewer and fewer new people are bothering to learn that firearms aren't really bad... it's the people that are the problem (within using cliches).... and with the shrinking numbers of shooters... the numbers of stores will shrink, the amount of money going to the NRA will shrink.... and it will all go away in time...

Isn't anyone paying attention to the news and what they do with the stories about people (who are normal to other shooters, but "Crazies" to the media because the have a "large stash of weapons and ammo!!"

Try doing something contructive... THINK!!!

 

[tcgeol]

This is a good idea, but I would be careful with it. If you are talking to someone who is already an anti (ie, not a fence-sitter), then many of them are more likely to think "How awful! We should ban these other guns, too!" instead of logically thinking about what you are saying.

It might be better in this case, to go slowly and let them get used to you and then take them shooting if possible. Once they get some range time in, and see how much fun it is, then you have a better opening.

 

[Glockfan.45]

Bakert......What type of pistol is that?

 

[hksw]

This had been brought up before with .22 lr, evil looking vs. pedestrian. I had posted some of my 10/22s on that thread and others had submitted theirs.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=223187&highlight=mg42+10/22

 

[SDC]

Bakert's pistol is a TEC-22 Scorpion, made by the same people that made the TEC-9.
I also just saw an interesting post at calguns that might make someone stop and think; this is a replacement buttstock for an AR that takes it out of California's "assault weapon" definition, and if you showed it to an anti, they MIGHT have a glimmer of sense in the second or two it takes for them to "POP" their head back out from between their legs, since "assault weapons" are defined by their COSMETIC FEATURES.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=42322

 

[350HO]

Such nice stuff! I love all of them.

 

[TrapperReady]

Back when I was shooting Service Rifle, I showed a friend the AR I was using. His wife was appalled that I had a "military gun". We then went on a little educational trip through the safe.

Since she'd seen the AR, I then showed her the M1. Bayonet lug, semi-auto, seen in nearly every WWII movie. She still thought that was bad. I then showed her the 1903A3. Bayonet lug, honest-to-God military firearm, same caliber as the M1. I even showed her the stripper clips and the M1 clips. She STILL didn't care for the "army guns".

OK, so I pulled out my Tikka deer rifle. Scoped .30-06. Same caliber as the M1 and the M1903A3, but detachable magazine and a scope. Since that was a deer rifle, that was OK.

I then showed her a Winchester '94. She actually liked that one. Small, lightweight, hunting rifle, cowboy charm. Weaker cartridge that the .30-06, but same diameter hole.

I then showed her an old Remington 81 in .30 Rem. Semi-auto, ballistics almost exactly the same as the .30-30. Hunting gun. That was OK with her.

We then discussed why it was that she liked the lever, semi-auto and bolt-action when they were "hunting guns", but didn't like them if they were "army guns". I also gave her a little primer on cartridges and we discussed how the Assault Weapons Ban was purely cosmetic.

I wish I could say that the lightbulb suddenly turned on for her, but that would be overstating the impact. What I saw was that she stopped simply throwing up objections and making blanket statements and began listening. She didn't come over to our side exactly, but she did seem to make an honest effort to listen and think about it... which is about all I could ask for.

 

[Zach S]

 

[carterbeauford]

^ That might be the best post yet. They can't be the same gun! No one should have an M14! Unless they hunt deer with it!

Since she'd seen the AR, I then showed her the M1. Bayonet lug, semi-auto, seen in nearly every WWII movie. She still thought that was bad. I then showed her the 1903A3. Bayonet lug, honest-to-God military firearm, same caliber as the M1. I even showed her the stripper clips and the M1 clips. She STILL didn't care for the "army guns".

OK, so I pulled out my Tikka deer rifle. Scoped .30-06. Same caliber as the M1 and the M1903A3, but detachable magazine and a scope. Since that was a deer rifle, that was OK

Too bad you didn't have a Thompson to add to the fun, since that was a military gun too. 1903s should be banned because they're too accurate. We're much safer if everyone has a $240 Mossberg .30-06.

 

[benEzra]

Something like this? Same gun, few minutes apart.

More photos you might can use in my gallery at Common Ground Common Sense:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense....lery&cmd=user&user=260&op=view_album&album=23

 

[RoxboroRedneck]

Another thing to think about is the fact that we as Americans have the right to form a malitia, well what type of malitia wouldnt want to be armed just as well as their enemy? Thus making ANY kind of ban against our right as Americans

 

[The_Antibubba]

Fatal Flaw

You are making a fundamental (though common) error:


You are using logic

I've heard very few Anti arguments that weren't emotional or wish-based. Logic and evidence are on the side of gun supporters.