Man Sentenced to 9 mos for Shooting Car Prowler

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Kleanbore, I make every effort in my capacity to increase my awareness of the law, and it's implications in this state (At least as much as I can be reasonably expected to, as a non-scholar in that subject). At no point would I ever intentionally break any law, or advocate doing so. I will, however, keep an eye out for that document.

Fairness has as much to do with the way things work, as precedent has to do with the way things *should* work. Which is to say, Zilch. Occasionally there are intersections, but it has more to do with chance than any kind of dependable pattern.


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Well, how should we distinguish between murder, voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, etc. on the one hand, all felonies, and lawful homicide on the other?

I appreciate this sentiment entirely, but I view it as an ongoing question as opposed to a statement of current effectiveness or a set of options. Do not consider me an absolutist. The legal system, while hardly perfect, has a decent record of sorting these things out. Yes I do recognize the slippery slope of justifying the killing of one human being by another in anything but what is obvious defense of life.

Let's be perfectly honest, without the clear details on exactly what happened, or even just as much as the prosecutor has at his disposal, we are pissing in the wind by speculating on how justified this was. Sheets could have left his apartment and drawn a bead on the thief's head with the full intention of killing that man, armed or not. However, I don't think that speculation is worth the bandwidth used to transmit it, as I cannot prove it. Thus I think the law should give the benefit of the doubt to Sheets who was in the midst of responding to criminal activity being perpetrated upon him by others. I'm sure the prosecutor could have potentially won the case in our adversarial system. I think mostly that I do not agree with the lean that prosecutorial discretion takes in many of these cases. I prefer to err on the side of allowing the guilty to go free, as I can't stand the thought of people behind bars who do not belong there. Because of this, I tend to desire laws that prevent the improper use of prosecutorial discretion.

I would prefer that our laws leaned more in the direction of giving the victim the benefit of the doubt. Not every unethical action, even those with extremely unfortunate consequences, deserve legal punishment. Especially when a person is forced into making a snap decision that may or may not lead to an unethical action.

Again, I hope that I would thread the needle more carefully than this man. I am almost sure of it. I doubt very much that my moral compass would ever place me in his position. I do not think however, that the law has any place turning him into a felon because I would not have done as he did.
 
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Correct me if I am interpreting this wrong, but you suggest placing yourself in a more dangerous situation to warrant the use of deadly force?

I am also seeing Castle Doctrine being mentioned? I do not believe it is applicable to this scenario. And an incident very similar to this is being reviewed for charges in OH. Only in this incident, the homeowner apparently missed when he fired shots at a man stealing from his car.

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What are the charges? Did he hit someone else?
 
The laws against using deadly force (except under very limited circumstances in Texas) are not the result of the "prevailing mentality." Rather, they are the result of centuries upon centuries of carefully considered legal thinking at the highest levels.

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Hmm. Then exactly where do the laws that require you to 'retreat' first (responsibility to retreat) come in?

As I've read them, they give advantage to an attacker and place additional risks on the home owner (general scenario).
 
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Then exactly where do the laws that require you to 'retreat' first (responsibility to retreat) come in?
This does not apply at all in the state of Washington.

Our law allows use of deadly force in the lawful defense of oneself, a family member, or any other person, when there is reasonable ground to prevent action(s) of the person slain to commit a felony or to do injury or harm, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, on those in their presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which they are.

Washington state doesn’t have a Castle Doctrine law, but we also have no "duty to retreat" resulting from prior State Supreme Court rulings.

However, citizens of WA are bound by the provisions of RCW 9A.16.020 and 040 pertaining to justifiable use of force and use of deadly force. Essentially, if a private citizen uses deadly force in this state, someone had better be in danger of great bodily injury or death.

As I've read them, they give advantage to an attacker and place additional risks on the home owner (general scenario).
If you are in your own home (or yard) or any place that you have a right to be , and you can articulate (afterwards) the fear of great bodily injury or death that caused you to use deadly force against an attacker, you're okay. However, if you shoot and kill someone who's running away -- on a public thoroughfare -- even if he's carting off a highly expensive component of your car's stereo system, you're lucky if all you end up spending in the slammer is nine months.

And if you believe that killing someone over a part of your automobile's sound system is justifiable, you're a complete idiot. Apparently, there of a few of these on this forum.
 
Thanks Old Dog...I know the laws in WA pretty well...I was thinking of places like MA, where that law still does apply.

And I agree....in WA ST...this guy was LUCKY he got off with 9 months.
 
Sorry Old Dog, I can see where I may have been confusing. The other poster said that our current laws were the result of centuries of legal interpretation and evaluation.

I wondered where the 'duty to retreat' law fit in there, because *to me* it is a step backwards.
 
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Your mother admitted being a thief. How is whatever I've said debased her or amount to a fallacy? Had your mother been caught, I can suppose with the info you have given out here that she and her siblings would have been put in the custody of the state, fed, educated, and clothed. Regardless, it appears she turned out just fine. She gave birth to YOU!

You continue your fallacies, and now you turn your insults to me. This kind of bull**** would earn you a swift punch in the mouth from most people in person, VigilanteCowboy. I suggest you cease.

I do find it rather amusing that you continue to ignore my dismantling of your vigilante stance. Allow me to continue doing that:

... There was a reason stealing a man's horse was a hanging offense. ...

And just who was it that did the hanging?

Oh, that's right.

Law Enforcement.


I'll say it again, YOU are NOT the JUDGE, JURY, AND EXECUTIONER. One man should never have that power, which is precisely why our founding fathers made sure we didn't.

VigilanteCowboy said:
In a different society where the power to adjudicate has not been constitutionally delegated to government, it would be up to us as individuals to defend our property and ourselves and separate out the criminals. As it stands, we do live in a society where the power to adjudicate(separate out the criminals) has been granted to a government, but the power to protect our property - and our selves - has not been granted to government. The protection of our property and ourselves is up to us as individuals.

Adjudicate does not mean "separate out the criminals". See above for why you're not in the position to adjudicate.

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No. Only a law enforcement officer can enforce the law ...

Contradicting yourself, high-five.

Also, nobody said only women get raped. You were the only one who mentioned that.

It's a common misconception, and with only the word "woman" being used, it's fairly obvious some people here are under that impression.
 
Time to call this one done - nobody is convincing anybody else at this point and we've got way more heat than light.
 
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