Man shoots his own hand, leg and a nearby home.

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Everyone makes mistakes. And what are the gun laws in North Carolina? Does he need a permit for his handgun? Is there something that could be taken away from him?

I think his punishment is embarrassment and two gunshot wounds.

Now, was a crime committed? Possibly. There is negligence, possibly, for shooting into the neighbors house. Carrying the gun loaded in the vehicle probably requires a CCW permit, so that could be contentious if he has/does not have one. Also, discharge of a firearm with in 200 yards of a home is usually a crime as well.

So should he be charged? Maybe. If he was drunk, ok, doll out a little punishment. If it was an honest to goodness chain of accidents, I feel sorry for the guy. He should pay to patch the neighbors house.

But I don't think his gun rights should be hampered. Maybe suspend his CCW for a period of time, but rights shouldn't be easily taken away. The fore fathers established our national right to keep and bear arms when they put to paper our natural right to keep and bear arms, which predates the Constitution.
 
That said, he went to retrieve his sidearm and it discharged. This tells me two things: A: ) he was transporting it in battery without the safety and B.) He picked it up with his finger on the trigger.
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Point A: Safeties can fail. (It is not the likely cause, but possible) Also, some guns (glocks for instance) have no external safety.

Point B: He shot himself in the hand. Think about that. How do you shoot yourself in the hand if your hand is sitting on the grip with your finger wrapped around the trigger. Point your own gun (unloaded with the slide back, PLEASE) or just your own index finger like a gun at your other hand. It's unlikely he picked it up from the grip.

More likely he had taken it off his person, realized he forgot it, reached back inside for it. At this point as he pulls it towards himself, something hits the trigger as he holds it near the barrel and it shoots him in the hand. (It could have been his finger or perhaps a seat belt buckle in the truck.)

Now, he realizes he needs to get his wound dressed (even if he was drunk, pain like that will clear the head) but doesn't want to leave the gun sitting in the truck, he grabs it and tries to quickly stow it to get inside. Here, again he may have hit the trigger or it may have hit some object and he shoots himself again.

Yes, intoxication may have been the case, but it is not necessary. This guy could have just been somewhat careless and having a REALLY bad day...
 
I can't see punishing him for attempted self-murder or something medieval like that.
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I believe this would fall under reckless endangerment, which can be a felony.

A person commits the crime of reckless endangerment if the person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. “Reckless” conduct is conduct that exhibits a culpable disregard of foreseeable consequences to others from the act or omission involved. The accused need not intentionally cause a resulting harm or know that his conduct is substantially certain to cause that result. The ultimate question is whether, under all the circumstances, the accused’s conduct was of that heedless nature that made it actually or imminently dangerous to the rights or safety of others.

Lets see, passing a bullet a bullet throught a neighbor's house? Check the box for substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person.
 
I don't really see how anyone can accept that these were really a series of ADs. What about the shot that entered the tralier ? Why did he dispose of the gun? Most likely it was not legally his. There is a LOT more to this story, and quite frankly it's badly reported. I honestly don't think it's even worthy of discussion in this form and with so little information.

Given such little to go on, I'd say more likely scenarios are either that there was some other party involved, or that this person was mentally ill and intentionally doing this.

Regardless of all that, I'd like to say something to the people who say he should not be stripped of his rights to own firearms. Yes, a mistake is a mistake and they happen. BUT.. He fired a shot ( or shots ?) that hit a dwelling. He did not take any responsibility for his actions. He didn't attempt to report the incident. He ditched the gun, and didn't even attempt to get medical treatment.

Clearly, however and for whatever reason this happened, he SHOULD NOT be allowed access to firearms.
 
Too Dry For Teh Intarwebz

It should not matter if I practice twirling my loaded .357 around my finger and accidentally shoot my neighbor through the wall as he sits in his house. No malice, no foul.
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But it does, when you perform an act that can reasonably be expected to put your neighbors in deadly danger it should matter. In the case mentioned, I believe the law would call it involuntary manslaughter. A class C felony without aggravation.
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And once again we see the utter failure of teh intarwebz to convey dryness.

Even when we invoke hieroglyphics:
Simple gross negligence should never be punished in any way. :banghead:
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*Sigh*
 
We need for this thread either to cool, or to close. There is ample room for disagreement of facts, but we do not yet enough facts to say what has happened, and ergo certainly not enough facts to say what action should be taken.

As to the matter of "...1st amendment rights..." there are no such rights here. This Oleg's house and forum. We all agree when we sign on here to maintain THR, and respect everyone. We all are subject too having our posts altered, or deleted, or the whole thread closed.

That is where this thread will go if it persists less than fully civil.

JMHO

Doc2005
 
lets see he comes home from bar with lipstick on collar, and alcohol on his breath.

His wife catches him and instead of using a rolling pin she shoots at his nads, thats shot 1 that hits him in the leg. He holds his hand out to stop her and she shoots him in the hand shot 2. Third shot he ducks and she puts one through the neighbor's house.

Since it was a 1911 it jams after shot three and he takes it away from her....\

Neighbor calls police.....

He makes up story about shooting self twice.
 
Hi Doc,

As to the matter of "...1st amendment rights..." there are no such rights here. This Oleg's house and forum.
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If you pick on the sarcasm it will take longer to heal and leave a really nasty scar. I was taking offense to what I saw as the poster's 'tone.' That was the most polite way I could think of to point it out to him. Out of respect for Oleg and his forum I chose not to call a spade a condescending shovel.

Your point is taken however, I apologize if I went beyond the pale.

Selena
 
this guy had to be hanging out with his buddy Jimmy Beam all night.:what:

Man, I've heard of people accidentally shooting themselves, but twice?!?! As doc said, we definitely need some more facts before we get our panties in a bunch...But what kind of a hurry was this guy in?

When cleaning my firearms, if I need to dry fire before putting it away, I check the chamber 5 or 10 times before firing it, and I still get cold sweats when pulling the trigger...Maybe I'm just that cautious, I don't know.:confused:

If you know the gun is loaded how could you possibly be that stupid?
 
Aw, I must have missed the fireworks.

In any case, my point was that we do not know what transpired. My scenario may not have been the actual scenario but is still a possible and not unlikely scenario.

The scenario where he was very drunk and stupid is also possible.

As is the one where he made up the story to explain away someone shooting him.

I was trying to say we shouldn't jump to conclusions and hang him before evidence is shown...
 
I don't really see how anyone can accept that these were really a series of ADs.
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Well your negligent with your handgun, you panic trying figure out what happened, adreniline and endorphins start to rush through your body, your mind starts processing things like: Someone is going to call the cops, cops are going to grill me, others will call for me to lose my 2nd ammendment rights because of this,so I better hide the gun,hide myself and before you know it,,,, you shoot yourself again in a frantic panic.

When I was a kid and my brother shot me, you should have seen the chaos and pandemonium that broke out.
 
we do not know what transpired
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Yep, but that doesn't stop us from engaging in gossipy conjecture, does it? :eek:

We'll probably never know what any of the contributing factors were, much less the root cause, of the incident unless the paper in Clyde has a slow enough news day. Even then all we're likely to learn is that he was or wasn't charged with a crime or that he did or did not get his neighbor's wall repaired. :scrutiny:

C'mon folks, we can do better than this. ;)
 
Correct me if I am wrong but most net forums are based on conjecture and gossip.Whether this chap was drunk,on drugs,very unlucky or just plain stupid,it raises issues for firearms owners as to what is deemed acceptable,accident or not.
 
Amidst all of this, Romma makes a very good point.

People all react to surprising and emergency situations differently- some panic, some shut down, some act. I'm betting this guy, no matter what transpired there, is a panic guy.

Hmm... this might be a good question for Strategies and Tactics...
 
Something's fishy in this trailer park...

1st the guy shoots himself in the hand. Is his first reaction to call 911? NO. He decides he's gotta put the gun away first.

2nd, he shoots himself in the leg while trying to put the gun in his pocket... then he decided that putting the gun down by a creek would be better than securing it in his own trailer. Why?

3rd, he doesn't go into his own trailer to call 911. OK, maybe he doesn't have a phone... so he goes to a friends house. What does that friend do? Drive him to the hospital? Call 911? NO. He takes him back to his own trailer. That's either a rotten friend, or someone helping him cover something up.

I think Master Blaster might have hit the nail on the head:
His wife catches him and instead of using a rolling pin she shoots at his nads, thats shot 1 that hits him in the leg. He holds his hand out to stop her and she shoots him in the hand shot 2. Third shot he ducks and she puts one through the neighbor's house.
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Bazooka Joe71 wrote: When cleaning my firearms, if I need to dry fire before putting it away, I check the chamber 5 or 10 times before firing it, and I still get cold sweats when pulling the trigger...Maybe I'm just that cautious, I don't know.
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No, Joe... You're that smart!
You know the destruction firearms can cause, and you handle them with respect/caution because of that.
 
I think he learned his lesson.

Give him a fine, make him pay for the damage, maybe give him a few months probation, and revoke his CCW permit for a couple years.
 
I just realized- This is the perfect example of a debate going on in Legal.

This guy has (as he should) been allowed to purchase a gun.

If it is proven he was negligent, THEN the coercive power of the government can come in and require classes before they re-instate his right to carry...
 
MakAttack seems to have it right assuming he had to have a permit to have a loaded gun in his car in the first place...a ridiculous state of affairs if (as it is in many states) true. Where I happen to live there is no restriction on having a loaded firearm in your vehicle so no permit to suspend. What punishment then? There should be no license to possess a firearm...Period. There are laws against reckless endangerment etc, these laws might perhaps be applied. However laws that apply to reckless or dangerous behavior should not be tied to a specific object but to the individual who misuses objects in a way that endangers the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness of his/her fellow citizens. This individual exhibited a behavior that may have endangered the life of a fellow citizen. Punish him if it is so deemed. Punish him by "suppressing" his rights to possess his dangerous instrument of choice as suggested by Selena if you must. However, make the punishment commensurate with the transgression and not the potential transgression. As an example. How many people here have "negligently" run a stop sign or red light? I suspect anybody here that has been driving for a few years has had this happen. If you were stopped and ticketed would you expect a fine or to lose your drivers license for life? The comparison is valid. I assure you the energy of your 2,500lb automobile traveling at 25mph is greater than a bullet traveling at 900fps (Even a .45 caliber bullet!). Running a stop sign/light could cause a death just as easily as a negligent discharge of a firearm. Don't demonize the firearm by making punishment for firearm negligence any greater than negligence with any other potentially dangerous object.

If harm actually was done, commensurate punishment should follow. I suspect the injuries sustained will be more of a punishment than anything the state is likely to mete out.
 
More, and different, info...

http://www.themountaineer.com/cms/d...ge2display=1196406000*1130-clyde shooting.inc

Gunshoot injures shooter

Kim Gardner


Clyde police continue to search for a missing gun that a Waynesville man used to shoot himself in the finger.

Jack Austin Ammons was sitting in his truck on Overpass Lane in Clyde, when he fired a single shot from a .45 caliber semi-automatic hand gun, said Clyde Police Chief Edgar Boring.

Police are still investigating the incident, which has an unusual twist.

He only fired one shot that went through his truck window and went through a trailer nearby,Boring said.

The incident happened around 7 p.m. Nov. 27, and no one was injured in the trailer.

I am very upset,said Sherri De La Cruz, who lives in the trailer with her husband and their two children. If he wanted to play with a gun, he should have gone to his own house. It could have cost the life of my husband, daughter, son or myself.

De La Cruz was sitting at her kitchen table, adjacent to her bedroom, when she heard a loud noise. Her husband had just retired to bed after a long day of work and her children had just left the bedroom.

I heard a loud noise and jumped up,De La Cruz said. I got to the bedroom door and saw smoke coming from the wall. Then I saw the hole.

The bullet went through the wall and De La Cruz said her husband felt the breeze of the bullet.

Thank God he didn't kill one of my family members,she said. My kids are traumatized by this. This took away my children's sense of safety and security in their home.

The man shot through one of his fingers and was taken to the hospital, where he underwent surgery to repair the injury. Since the shooting, the man has been uncooperative with police.

He's not telling us anything,Boring said. He was impaired (at the time).

Police continue their investigation and once released from the hospital, the man will be arrested and charged with discharging a firearm into an occupied dwelling. The charge is a Class E felony, with the possibility of 15 to 74 months in jail.

The gun used in the incident has not been found, despite an extensive search by police.

We need to find it before some kid gets a hold of it,Boring said. It is still loaded.

De La Cruz is concerned about the safety of her neighborhood with the gun missing and wants answers from the man who shot a hole in her home.

If he is this careless with a gun, he doesn't deserve to have one,she said. I want to know why he was here, and I want to make sure he doesn't do this again.

Boring said this is the first time that he is aware of that a bullet went through a home in such a manner.
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