Man tasered 19 times, dies.

[Joejojoba111]

And here is the trade-off - I don't know the the next officer I see won't attack me, maybe intentionally or accidentally kill me. For every officer down, you will find dozens of civilians. You see, there are trade-offs in life. I have, against my will, lost precious survival possibilities, so that others may gain them. A minority, has gained power and safety, by taking it directly from the majority.

When you come across Aristotle's 'uncorruptable man', then I will agree you can make him an officer and give him all the power in the world. Until then I refuse to recognize officers as anything other than people, humans, with all the pros and cons entailed.

I cannot refuse to comply to certain modern peculiarities of detainment and such, but I have absolute freedom to dislike them and to express such, without retribution. And I exercise it. And if the opportunity arises to reverse the situation, and improve citizen safety by removing constraints, by altering the intrinsic nature of police forces and their subcultures, by increasing procedural, budgetary, legal and administrative constraints, I will vote in favor.

As I say, the world is plenty full of examples of police forces allowed to run amok. Even modern and civilized states as diverse as Ukraine, India, and Britain have plentiful obvious abuses. A constrained and behaved force is a sign of a healthy nation, perhaps the requirement for such. And the reverse is even more true.

 

[NukemJim]

Only the truly ignorant would think continued weakening of struggling is simply a sign of compliance when three large males are sitting on a persons torso.

Nice line I like the sound of it. Now then would you mind answereing the question I asked? And no it is not always easy in the middle of a fight to determine whether someone is suphocating or yielding or exhausted. Add in unkown medical problems and unkown mental state and unkown pharmaceutical ingestion.

Oh and by the way if someone really wants to fight you 3 people are rarely going to be enough if you are trying NOT to hurt the person a far more reasonable number is 5-7.

NukemJim

 

[Derby FALs]

Nice line I like the sound of it. Now then would you mind answereing the question I asked? And no it is not always easy in the middle of a fight to determine whether someone is suphocating or yielding or exhausted. Add in unkown medical problems and unkown mental state and unkown pharmaceutical ingestion.

Oh and by the way if someone really wants to fight you 3 people are rarely going to be enough if you are trying NOT to hurt the person a far more reasonable number is 5-7.

NukemJim

I don't think a TASER shot is going to kill someone. Over use may be a contributing factor. If you sit enough people on someone for long enough, they are going to die. Unless they are already unconscious they are going to struggle for a while before they suffocate.

 

[Pietro Beretta]

Pax, it was a late night.

Do a search on www.google.com on the Line "Thugs in the Hood"

See what comes up.

Then perhaps you will see where I was comming from.

 

[Dan from MI]

This quote may get me in trouble, but if I'm attacked with a taser, I'm assuming my life is in danger and I will take appropiate action to stop the threat beyond all certainty(and I have a high pain threshold). I don't care if the person with the taser has a badge or not.

I don't expect to ever get arrested, and if so, I'll cooperate unless my life is threatened where I will defend myself accordingly.

Most of the cops I know (outside of East Lansing) are good ones. I don't expect trouble, but just as there are good cops out there, they are a few bad apples as well.

 

[Powderman]

This quote may get me in trouble, but if I'm attacked with a taser, I'm assuming my life is in danger and I will take appropiate action to stop the threat beyond all certainty(and I have a high pain threshold). I don't care if the person with the taser has a badge or not.

I don't expect to ever get arrested, and if so, I'll cooperate unless my life is threatened where I will defend myself accordingly.

Most of the cops I know (outside of East Lansing) are good ones. I don't expect trouble, but just as there are good cops out there, they are a few bad apples as well.

And, here we go, once again. Veiled threat, perhaps?

Well, it was an interesting and lively thread. I predict that it will be closed within the next five posts.

 

[Dan from MI]

And, here we go, once again. Veiled threat, perhaps?

Well, it was an interesting and lively thread. I predict that it will be closed within the next five posts.

I wasn't making a threat. I take appropiate actions when necessary.

Assuming you are a "by the book" officer, If you arrested me for something, I would place my hands behind my back, keep my trap shut, and call my attorney and deal with the courts and prosecutors. That is the appropiate action on my part. My life isn't in danger in that situation, and I do not plan to place it in danger.

If my life is in danger, I take different actions. I view a tazer the same way as I do a .22. I'm also fairly certain they are illegal for the general public. I know stun guns are a felony, at least in my state.

 

[Powderman]

Well, OK. Just to make sure we're on the same page--if you were about to be arrested--AND you decided you weren't going to be arrested that day--AND you pulled away from the arresting officer and started walking away--AND the arresting officer pointed a Taser at you--what would you do?

Make yourself clear.

 

[pax]

Nope, guys, we're not going to go there.

Here it is again, down to Us vs. Them, plus threats.

Closed.

pax