Man withP3AT Used to Foil Robbery Attempt in Knoxville!

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I liked my first P3AT so much I bought a second one. Both shoot great, comfortable to carry and are reliable.

I guess when a company pushes the boundries like Kel Tec their 1st attempts are likely to need improvements. Just like the newest model of a car, some are lemons until the bugs get worked out.

I've had zero problems with my 2nd generation P3ATs. And because they are so easy to carry and conceal, they are always with me.

When I'm walking to my car or outside with my hand in my pocket I don't need to draw, it is already in my hand ready to go.
 
He used his brain and the tools at his disposal to win through to a successful outcome. Without it seems the services of lawyers, judges, insurance companies, or morticians.

Looks like a "harmonious outcome".
 
but it really makes one think about the real life possibility of being outgunned in a real life/death situation.
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So the other guy has a .40. A .45. So what? We're not talking about a sniper with an AR-15 at 200 yards here. It's not going to matter that your opponent had a S&W model 29 if you put six 95 gr. SXT hollowpoints in his chest before he can drill you.
 
Car Salesman's Quick Draw Foils Robbery

Car Salesman's Quick Draw Foils Robbery


By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: November 13, 2006
Filed at 6:35 p.m. ET

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- The bandit should have paid closer attention to the used car salesman's ''Friends of the NRA'' ball cap before pulling his gun. Auto dealer Greg ''Lumpy'' Lambert, a Knox County commissioner, said a young man walked onto his sales lot Saturday and was determined to buy a 2005 Ford Focus.

Lambert said he became suspicious during the test drive when the man didn't want to haggle over price or even ask for a mechanical inspection.

Presented with the sales paperwork, the man pulled a .25-caliber handgun from his pocket, apparently to rob him, the commissioner said.

Lambert, a National Rifle Association member who has a ball cap from the group and has offered free rifles with car purchases in the past, was ready with his own .380-caliber pistol.

''I think we probably leveled our sights close to the same time,'' Lambert said. ''I think I got a bit of a drop on him. I told him to drop his weapon, and he said he didn't want trouble.''

The suspect fled, but left behind his driver's license.

Kane Stackhouse, 19, was charged Sunday with attempted aggravated robbery and was being held in jail with bond set at $15,000 bond, the Knox County Sheriff's office said.

Lambert acknowledged the suspect never asked for money or made demands.

''I didn't give him a chance to,'' Lambert said. ''It was a tense situation, and a little scary.''
 
The last thing you want to do is pull that damn trigger.
The last thing you want to do is pull that damn trigger.
No, there isn't an echo in here.
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Somehow, I just have a problem with opening verbal negotiations when the opposition has a gun leveled at me and may opt to pull the trigger at any time and no matter how fast I am, I cannot step out of the way of a bullet aimed at me from interview distance. Neither can the opposition.

Nor can I shoot fast enough after the opposition pulls the trigger to stop the incoming round and neutralize the opposition. Neither can MachIVshooter.
 
Who knows what Lambert saw? He may have noticed the the safety was engaged on the BG's gun. Maybe he saw that it was out of battery. Obviously he didn't believe that his life was in jeapordy and he didn't need to kill the kid.
Who knows? If I don't have to kill a kid, I'm not gonna.

Biker
 
Biker,

AMEN!!!!!

What ever "Lumpy" saw, herd, felt, sensed, intuited, perceived... What ever God, gods, angels, spirit guides, or other worldly apparitions allowed him to end the situation without having to put a .380 in the punks brain pan, I'm not second guessing it/them.

It all worked. May all the times a good guy has to clear leather be as successful.
 
Right on Biker. Best possible outcome, I wonder why so many folks wish the kid got shot.

I also heard this on NPR yesterday, they did get the gun wrong but they also reported on a citizen using a CCW to stop a crime. Good for them, more of these stories need media attention (I guess the fact that Lumpy is well known and got national media for the rifle giveaway helped this time).

Skunkape - while I agree with the folks that don't like the KT bashing, that piece about the waranty was pretty darn funny.

Joe
 
As SM keeps saying, it's software not hardware that matters.
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It's how we use our brains and not that brains end up on the wall that matters.:rolleyes:

Lumpy was there, we weren't.

Lumpy evaluated the situation in real time, we can't.

Lumpy read the kid, we can't.

I've met him and been at events with him. I have no doubt that if he thought he had to shoot he would not have hesitated. I don't expect he would have fired one round less nor one round more than needed to stop the threat.

Not every use of a firearm has to result in someone getting 2 the chest and 1 to the head.:banghead:
 
If your software works, there's a good chance you won't need your hardware.

It looks like Lumpy's software works.
 
First I'd like to say I'm glad this story ended well for all involved. Maybe I'm just a wimp but if someone has the drop on me with their gun fixed on my body I am not going to pull my piece. With my luck the BG is going to pull the trigger long before I can get my gun out. If I can distract the guy or get to cover then yes I'll defend myself otherwise discretion is the better part of valor.
 
Who knows what Lambert saw? He may have noticed the the safety was engaged on the BG's gun. Maybe he saw that it was out of battery. Obviously he didn't believe that his life was in jeapordy and he didn't need to kill the kid.
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Right, Lumpy could have seen the gun was on safe, evaluated the situation that the bad guy could not get the safe off, and so entered into verbal negotiations.

Somehow in seeing the pictures of Lumpy, I just don't have him pegged as being the super competent guy that scenario would have him be.

Maybe the gun was out of battery and Lumpy saw this and so acted accordingly? Given his bravado in recounting the situation, if he has seen something like the safety being on or the gun out of battery, I believe Lumpy would be telling the world how he spared the kid's life because he knew the kid's gun was incapable of firing at that time. The guy is a car salesman. He would be milking that for all that it is worth and the publicity would be outstanding, more so than it is now.

He drew on a drawn gun. He entered into negotiations after a gun was leveled at him at interview distance. Lumpy neither shot or got shot. Lumpy was a lucky man.

So come on down and let Lumpy the Merciful sell YOU a car today!

No, that ain't right.

So come on down and let Lucky Lumpy sell YOU a car today!

That's better.
 
HAH! :D :D :D This made the Johnson City TN newspaper as well, figured that someone on here would have caught wind of it.

Like the good guy, I'm also a P3AT owner. :cool:
 
You're right about that, but in terms of making a positive image of gun owners, not shooting gets us more mileage.

The fact that he stopped a bad situation in its tracks, and now it turns out the suspect is also a possible murderer. Wether it was luck or good judgement to not shoot, it turned out well for him.

score one for responsible gun owners who don't look/act like vigilantes when they have to draw.
 
I love this story. Another notch on the broom handle for us good guys.
I wonder how many people on this board that say "I would have shot him" have actually had to shoot someone and then go through grand juries and all the sleepless nights. Probably one or none is my guess. It's a good thing he didn't have to or didn't shoot the punk. Not saying he couldn't have and gotten away with it but I wonder if all the internet Dirty Harries think of the fallout afterwards. Fallout is not something to take lightly.
I now have fired more than 200+ rounds through my P3AT and have not had one failure at all. I have carried many great guns (Colt .45 is the greatest IMO) but I do not feel out-gunned or under-gunned by carrying the P3AT. Would I rather have a .45 in a gun fight? Absolutely. But it is not always the best gun to carry and just how many of you have been in a gun fight?
 
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Lumpy got the best deal possible.

He didn't have to shoot, the BG got arrested, and he didn't get shot.

Shooting a guy with a 380 doesn't make him double over and collapse like a marionette with its strings severed.

At conversation range, that .25 is very likely to hit you.
 
2nd Gen P3AT

When I was looking for the ultimate concealable weapon, I chose the P3AT despite all the negative things I had heard. There were almost as many positive things said about the 2nd generation.

Mine has never failed to fire. There is no chance I'll print when it would be bad. I bought my dad one since he only selectively carried his J-frame.

It's better to always carry a weapon that the internet naysayers say "may" be unreliable than to sometimes carry a 100% reliable weapon. My P3AT is 100% reliable, I bet my life on it. I still carry my XD40, or Bersa Firestorm as often as possible, but for an everyday, always, if I ain't naked, firearm, the Kel-Tec is the best available due to weight, size, caliber, reliablity and concealability, hands down.

To be looking down the barrel of a gun of any caliber, pulling my own, and not having to fire is the best outcome I could ever hope for. I just don't think I could trust another human enough to not fire first.
 
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