Jesse308
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Does the mannlicher style stocks have any advantages or disadvantages? Also does anybody have a rifle with that kind of stock and how do you like it? And do you have any pictures you can post? Thanks 
Mannlicher Stocks????
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Jesse308
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Yeah RileyMC, the CZ 550FS in the reason why I asked the questions.
Tylden
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I've been considering a CZ mannlicher stock as well....haven't made up my mind on which caliber yet though. I don't know for sure, but I suspect their accuracy could be somewhat effected. I know the end cap on the CZ's are designed to not touch the barrel, but I'm not sure about floating the barrel on one. Advantages.....it sure would look NICE hanging on my wall rack !!!
Cosmoline
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The advantage is that it protects the barrel, like the traditional military full-length stocks. The disadvantage is it can interfere with accuracy, esp. as the barrel heats up. I know the Finns used a sleeve device on their 28/30's to prevent this, and CZ has their plastic device. But in the end it's pretty tough to prevent all contact.
As I see it, the only valid reason to have a mannlicher stock is because you might like the looks of it. There seems to be little middle ground on this: some hate 'em and some love 'em. I happen to fall in the latter category. I have two: a little Steyr Mannlicher Zephyer .22 rimfire and a Ruger 77 MKII in .308.
Although there are no intrinsic advantages that I know of (other than the aforementioned subjective aesthetic value), there is evidence that a mannlicher stock can pose problems with bedding related accuracy and can be finnicky. I've never heard of a rifle with a full-length stock winning any major accuracy events.
IMO, mannlichers don't always look good. In order to be "pleasing to the eye", the stock and action have to be well-proportioned. This is a very subjective issue and opinions can be varied. However, I don't think many would disagree that Winchester's 1960's era Model 70 mannlicher was a good example as to how not to do it. On the other hand, I like the looks of the CZ 550 FS as pictured by the poster, albeit, the buttstock looks a little "clubby" for my tastes.
Although there are no intrinsic advantages that I know of (other than the aforementioned subjective aesthetic value), there is evidence that a mannlicher stock can pose problems with bedding related accuracy and can be finnicky. I've never heard of a rifle with a full-length stock winning any major accuracy events.
IMO, mannlichers don't always look good. In order to be "pleasing to the eye", the stock and action have to be well-proportioned. This is a very subjective issue and opinions can be varied. However, I don't think many would disagree that Winchester's 1960's era Model 70 mannlicher was a good example as to how not to do it. On the other hand, I like the looks of the CZ 550 FS as pictured by the poster, albeit, the buttstock looks a little "clubby" for my tastes.
jefnvk
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I want one of those 550's in 6.5 Swede.
I don't think there is any advantage outside of combat zones, but they sure look pretty.
I don't think there is any advantage outside of combat zones, but they sure look pretty.
Chuck R.
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I’ve got two, a Steyr Mannlicher in 30-06 and a Remington Model 7 from their custom shop in .350 Magnum. Both have free-floated barrels and have proved to be pretty accurate. The Remington with its short stiff 20” barrel is very accurate.
About the only benefit I can see is looks, and to me they do look good.
Chuck
About the only benefit I can see is looks, and to me they do look good.
Chuck
Eightball
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*whistles*
DorGunR---That is one beaut of a rifle. How much'd it run ya, and how does it shoot?
DorGunR---That is one beaut of a rifle. How much'd it run ya, and how does it shoot?
The full length stock, or RepetierStutzen, is an off shoot of the carbines carried by the Austrian cavalry in the 1880's and 90's. Mannlicher-Schoenaur used it to protect the barrels of their svelte alpine carbines.
Accuracy is typical or better on rifles with properly inletted stocks. It doesn't matter whether the wood touches the barrel or is free-floated. It is more important that the contact (or non-contact) is uniform. Many lesser quality full stock rifles have varying degrees of pressure on the barrel, and this changes the POI as soon as things heat up.
The CZ550's that I have shot were very accurate. The Ruger 77RSI is a roll of the dice, some are good, some aren't. The Zoli 1900 uses a free floated barrel with a rubber bushing connecting the sling swivel. It was very accurate. Original Mannlicher-Schoenauer and Mausers (models M and S) are also very accurate as long as they have not been removed from the stock too many times. The Brno 22f can be very accurate for the first few shots, but they use a pencil thin barrel that heats up quickly. Sako used a very heavy barrel on theirs, and Remington beds the front lug on their little 7MS.
Accuracy is typical or better on rifles with properly inletted stocks. It doesn't matter whether the wood touches the barrel or is free-floated. It is more important that the contact (or non-contact) is uniform. Many lesser quality full stock rifles have varying degrees of pressure on the barrel, and this changes the POI as soon as things heat up.
The CZ550's that I have shot were very accurate. The Ruger 77RSI is a roll of the dice, some are good, some aren't. The Zoli 1900 uses a free floated barrel with a rubber bushing connecting the sling swivel. It was very accurate. Original Mannlicher-Schoenauer and Mausers (models M and S) are also very accurate as long as they have not been removed from the stock too many times. The Brno 22f can be very accurate for the first few shots, but they use a pencil thin barrel that heats up quickly. Sako used a very heavy barrel on theirs, and Remington beds the front lug on their little 7MS.
Campusninja
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I hope to pick my 550 FS chambered in 308, in the next few weeks. The Mannlicher stock has grown on me for some time, and I have wanted a centerfire rifle for the longest time.
As others have mentioned or enquired, I was also interested in the history and what effects (if any) this stock style might have on accraucy.
As others have mentioned or enquired, I was also interested in the history and what effects (if any) this stock style might have on accraucy.
Byron Quick
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I got a CZ 550FS a couple of months ago. I've been pleased thus far. The rifle is more accurate than I am.
The hogsback buttstock was the deciding factor for me not the Mannlicher forestock.
I have a BRNO 602ZKK in .458 Winchester Magnum. Al Thompson and I were both impressed with the the relatively light recoil of the weapon. He had a Ruger (M77, I believe) in .458 Winchester Magnum. He said his rifle kicked like a mule. Seeing as how we were using the same lot of ammunition that had kicked so badly in his Ruger, we wondered what the difference was. Recoil pad? No. The BRNO had a hard rubber pad. Thin. The only thing that we could figure was the hogsback buttstock apparently reduces felt recoil. My BRNO's recoil is about the same as a twelve gauge shooting full load slugs. Stout but not excessive.
But the cost of .458 ammunition! I wanted a .308 in the same stock style and same action. The only .308 with iron sights that CZ produces with the hogsback buttstock is the CZ 550FS. I've been happy with it. I don't know what it would do with a scope from a rest. I haven't put a scope on it nor shot from a rest.
My drills with it have consisted of field position and working on firing consecutve rounds while maintaing a sight picture throughout.
The hogsback buttstock was the deciding factor for me not the Mannlicher forestock.
I have a BRNO 602ZKK in .458 Winchester Magnum. Al Thompson and I were both impressed with the the relatively light recoil of the weapon. He had a Ruger (M77, I believe) in .458 Winchester Magnum. He said his rifle kicked like a mule. Seeing as how we were using the same lot of ammunition that had kicked so badly in his Ruger, we wondered what the difference was. Recoil pad? No. The BRNO had a hard rubber pad. Thin. The only thing that we could figure was the hogsback buttstock apparently reduces felt recoil. My BRNO's recoil is about the same as a twelve gauge shooting full load slugs. Stout but not excessive.
But the cost of .458 ammunition! I wanted a .308 in the same stock style and same action. The only .308 with iron sights that CZ produces with the hogsback buttstock is the CZ 550FS. I've been happy with it. I don't know what it would do with a scope from a rest. I haven't put a scope on it nor shot from a rest.
My drills with it have consisted of field position and working on firing consecutve rounds while maintaing a sight picture throughout.
Mossyrock
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I have a weakness for the Mannlicher stock style that I inhereted from my Dad. Back in the early '60s, he had a custom rifle built to his specs using an '03 action in a birdseye maple Mannlicher-style stock. It is chambered for the .263 Sabre (6.5-06 Improved) and, given its light, short barrel, it shoots very, very well. As was the practice at that time, it is full-length bedded. It was built with a blind magazine like the 700 ADL and the whole rig, to include the ancient technology Bausch and Lomb mount and 3X9 scope only weights around 7.5 pounds.
Because of this rifle, and the Mannlicher-stocked custom '03 in .257 Roberts Ackley Improved that sits next to it in the vault (which I used to kill my first deer), I have owned a bunch of Mannlicher-stocked rifles myself, to include an '03 Springfield in .35 Whelen and two Ruger 77 Internationals, one in .308 and another in .250 Savage that I rechambered to .257 Roberts (which I used to kill me LAST deer. See a pattern here?). The .35 Whelen was a very accurate rifle with a rebored arsenal barrel. The two Rugers, while very handy, never shot all that well. I suspect my next one will be the Remington Model 7 Mannlicher in .350 Remington Mag mentioned by the other poster above. I have looked at these since they came out and they just keep looking better and better....
Because of this rifle, and the Mannlicher-stocked custom '03 in .257 Roberts Ackley Improved that sits next to it in the vault (which I used to kill my first deer), I have owned a bunch of Mannlicher-stocked rifles myself, to include an '03 Springfield in .35 Whelen and two Ruger 77 Internationals, one in .308 and another in .250 Savage that I rechambered to .257 Roberts (which I used to kill me LAST deer. See a pattern here?). The .35 Whelen was a very accurate rifle with a rebored arsenal barrel. The two Rugers, while very handy, never shot all that well. I suspect my next one will be the Remington Model 7 Mannlicher in .350 Remington Mag mentioned by the other poster above. I have looked at these since they came out and they just keep looking better and better....
Vern Humphrey
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The story is the Kaiser liked them -- he used his rifle as a walking stick while hunting, and the full-length stock was more comfortable to hold.
Full-length stocks are very Germanic -- the early Pennsylvania rifles, which were made by German (Pennsylvania "Dutch") gunsmiths had them, albeit a little different in configuration.
Full-length stocks are very Germanic -- the early Pennsylvania rifles, which were made by German (Pennsylvania "Dutch") gunsmiths had them, albeit a little different in configuration.
Drue
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I agree with jefnvk. The 550 Mannlicher in 6.5 Swede would be the bees knees. I want one too!
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corncob
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Besides the M77 (which I detest) does anyone know of a bolt rifle available with a full-length stock for a lefty??
Mannlicher
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I have a few Mannlicher full stocked rifles
Eightball
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Whatever the offsets are on the "accuracy/bedding/whatnot" department, I for one love the full-length stock's look.
I have a Ruger #1 International (Mannlicher stock) in .30-06 that I love. It's not sub-MOA, but I am not usually, either. It drives me crazy that Ruger doesn't offer the #1 International in .308! Is there any reason that the .308 caliber wouldn't be qualified to be considered 'international'?
Mark
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Mannlicher Stocks, etc...
I have TOO MANY Mannlichers and mannlicher stocked rifles/carbines, and I love them. The points have already been made about "why" the stock. The CZ 550 is a nice and affordable Mannlicher stocked rifle, had one in 6.5x55, shot one deer with it, then sold it because it did not do anything that my regular M1903 and M1956 MCA did not do. I have shot the largest number of deer with my M1903 carbine, and I do not know if my Steyr-Mannlicher .222 or my .243 put the most woodchucks to sleep. (Note: the Steyr-Mannlicher SL in .222, .222 Rem Mag, and .223 are terribly accurate right out of the box)
LLS
I have TOO MANY Mannlichers and mannlicher stocked rifles/carbines, and I love them. The points have already been made about "why" the stock. The CZ 550 is a nice and affordable Mannlicher stocked rifle, had one in 6.5x55, shot one deer with it, then sold it because it did not do anything that my regular M1903 and M1956 MCA did not do. I have shot the largest number of deer with my M1903 carbine, and I do not know if my Steyr-Mannlicher .222 or my .243 put the most woodchucks to sleep. (Note: the Steyr-Mannlicher SL in .222, .222 Rem Mag, and .223 are terribly accurate right out of the box)
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